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  1. Roy Hodgson - The 'Contradiction Compilation'

    Original article: http://www.thisisanfield.com/2010/12...six-months-in/

    The first six months of Roy Hodgson’s reign as Liverpool manager have seen him contradict himself and deliver more gaffes than you can keep track of.

    Thankfully briankettle has done the hard work and compiled the best (should that be worst) of them here. Sit back and watch six months fly by with Uncle Roy telling the stories of how we are overstaffed, or is that a small squad? How we need investment in January, or we don’t? How winning at Bolton is famous, how Raul Meireles doesn’t have a specific position, how Northampton are mighty opposition and numerous other quotes you would never wish to associate with a man in the position of Liverpool FC manger.

    4 July: “I like a high-tempo passing game”
    All the things I’ve always liked are the things Liverpool were famous for in their heyday. Pass and move, always move it quickly and once you lose it get back in to position. That was the mantra which took Liverpool through their great years. I like a high-tempo passing game. I like players to work hard, I like players to get back in position. Those are my principles. I was influenced by the Liverpool team which dominated the 70s with all its great players and playing the football they played.

    5 August: “Look into the mirror rather than look for excuses elsewhere” (On player complaints about squad quality)

    As a player you have a chance to change things. If you don’t think the team is doing as well as it should, as a player you can do something about it. If you are a big player, maybe you will. My attitude is that we want our big players because they will help the team to win. Now if they are not playing well and not helping the team to win, I will be advising them to look into the mirror rather than look for excuses elsewhere and blame the owners for not having spent £500m.

    9 September: “Unbelievably overstaffed” (After beating West Brom)
    We were unbelievably over-staffed when I came to the club and, if the truth be known, we still are over-staffed. It was just as big a job making sure some of the players who never feature for the first team move on and that we limit our squad to players who are either in the frame to play first-team football or who have a bright future who are still anxious to play academy and reserve team football.

    9 September: “He’s a good player and he’s the right man for the job” (On Konchesky)
    There aren’t many quality left-backs around in the world, never mind in England – so to find an English one who can go straight into the team without any adjustment problems is a big advantage. He is a player I know, a player I have worked with and he knows the way we try to play and the things we try to do. That’s another little advantage, but the main reason for bringing him here is because we think he’s a good player and he’s the right man for the job.

    10 September: “We’ll have ample quality to see us through” (see also 30 October)
    I preferred to put my weight behind David Ngog and Ryan Babel, who’s never really been given a proper chance at centre-forward at the club. We have Fernando Torres, we have good players who can play behind a lone striker. I’m hoping that between now and Christmas we’ll have ample quality to see us through that period. And in the meantime we have chance to do thorough scouting so that if the money is available, we could look into the situation again. I will be using David Ngog and Ryan Babel in certain games to give Fernando Torres a rest and it’s up to them to prove to me that there’s no need to look further than them.

    20 September: “It is very early for me to make very strong judgments about where his best position is” (On Meireles)

    He had two training sessions and played on Thursday night and he played again on Sunday so it is very early for me to make very strong judgments about where his best position is. The work we do on the training field will show me how best to use him. He actually went out wide right late in the United game and did okay there also. All I can say is he has a lot of qualities and I’m sure we’ll get a lot of use out of him.

    23 September: “These players have to accept responsibility” (After the defeat to Northampton)

    These players have to accept responsibility. I accept responsibility for changing a lot of players in the team, I did it because I honestly thought the players I put on the field were good enough to win the game and they weren’t. The obvious conclusion to that was I shouldn’t have changed that many players but we should have been strong enough to get a result. We must all take our responsibility. I am just bitterly disappointed that the team I had so much faith in did not repay that faith this evening with the exception of one or two performances.

    24 September: “The protest does not help”
    The protest does not help but it is something I have had to live with since I came to the club. I, like everyone else at Liverpool, would be very happy if the ownership situation was clarified and in particular if we got a very good owner that could help us move forward. It is a major issue for a group of people who are very much anti the owners and anti the current people who are trying to solve the situation. I knew the situation existed before I arrived and it doesn’t help. But it is often the case that when things are conspiring against you there is always an extra thing to come in and make it that little bit worse.

    25 September: “I didn’t think it was necessary to say it” (On not responding to the Torres “diving” accusations, six days prior)

    I didn’t think it was necessary to say it because it was insulting people’s intelligence. For me, it was one of Alex’s inflammatory little digs to make his victory even sweeter and our defeat even harder and that’s part of the game

    3 October: “From Halmstad to Malmo to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax…”
    What do you mean do my methods translate? They have translated from Halmstad to Malmo to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax to the Swiss national team. So I find the question insulting. To suggest that, because I have moved from one club to another, that the methods which have stood me in good stead for 35 years and made me one of the most respected coaches in Europe don’t suddenly work, is very hard to believe.

    3 October: “I don’t understand questions about Liverpool and Fulham players being different types”

    I don’t understand questions about Liverpool and Fulham players being different types. At the moment arguably one or two of the players that are suggested as being very different to the Fulham players maybe aren’t playing any better than the Fulham players played. So maybe people should be having a look at that.

    18 October: “As good as we have played all season” (After the woeful loss to Everton)
    That was as good as we have played all season, and I have no qualms with the performance whatsoever. I only hope fair-minded people will see it the same way.

    21 October: “We will cross that bridge when we come to it” (On rumours of Torres to Manchester United)

    I think we will cross that bridge when we come to it. There will always be speculation. When a great player like Wayne Rooney is looking to leave his club, then you know Manchester United will be in a position to target a lot of players around the world. I don’t think Fernando will be the only striker they target – and I don’t think we will be the only club worried that their striker is in their sights. I am not naive enough to believe that there won’t be any danger and we will never lose a player like Torres. I understand these things can happen. I don’t believe we will lose him.

    29 October: “It’s all to do with how good your scouting and your eye is”
    I think you can pay an awful lot of money for poor players and you can pay not very much money for very good ones – it is all to do with how good your scouting and your eye is. There are a lot of things here that the club has got to get right. We have got a lot more expensive failures on our list than good players that we have brought in for next to nothing. Free transfers don’t necessarily mean that you have got a bargain. My experience of them has been very mixed. You need to be sure that the player you get can do the job you want from him.

    30 October: “They can’t all be wrong and we aren’t that stupid either”
    A club like Liverpool shouldn’t have to rely on non-specialists like Dirk Kuyt or Ryan Babel ‘doing a job’ up front when they are primarily wide players. …The first thing people say when I walk down the street is ‘We need a front player’. They can’t all be wrong and we aren’t that stupid either.

    30 October: “That’s what he’s good at” (On Dalglish)
    He is doing a great job alongside us and we involve him in our scouting while he still works at The Academy and plays an ambassadorial role. That’s what he’s good at.

    31 October: “A famous victory” (1-0 at Bolton)
    Today was a famous victory because we hadn’t won more than once away in the whole of 2010. When you’re down the bottom, and keep being reminded you’re down the bottom, anxiety kicks in.

    31 October: “He was here in name but not allowed to set foot in Melwood“
    When they wanted me for the job, I made it clear to Kenny that he would be with me – not like with Benitez, when he was here in name but not allowed to set foot in Melwood and it was ‘we don’t want anything to do with you

    12 November: “He’s not that bad on the ball”
    Unfortunately I can’t do anything about the fans, but he’s (Poulsen) had one or two games in front of our crowd where he’s not played well and he knows he hasn’t. He is devastated by that and the crowd, who aren’t stupid, know he’s not played well. It’s a fact of life. He can only keep working hard and when he gets his chance he has to get on with his job. He had a job to do against Wigan and without his introduction, with a very tired Maxi Rodríguez and Dirk Kuyt, who knows we could even have lost the game. But he’s got quality, he’s a good defensive midfield player. He’s not that bad on the ball, but let’s not beat about the bush and try to disguise the fact – he’s had a bad start.

    13 November: “He’s not performed — very often at least — to the level I’d expect of him”
    (Johnson) is the England right-back and, if he plays like that, one would expect him to come back in when he’s fit. But then he’d have to play like the England right-back and up to now, to be quite frank, he’s not performed – very often at least – to the level I’d expect of him. You would have to ask him ‘do you think you’re playing at top form and are you playing like the best right-back in the country for your club?’ If he says yes, obviously we will have to agree to differ and if he says no, then you’d have to ask the question ‘why not?

    14 November: “I didn’t realise I had been accused of criticising him”
    It amazes me that when you make a statement of such obvious veracity people want to make headlines out of it. Everyone is saying what I am saying. I hope I am honest and I hope the players are honest. I didn’t realise I had been accused of criticising him; I don’t normally criticise my players and I’m sorry if that has been suggested.

    26 November: “We won’t need to do too much in the January transfer window” (After beating West Ham)

    I have a very clear picture now of what we should and need to be doing and the squad is stronger and getting stronger. It was probably stronger than I realised at certain stages in the early part of the season when we were losing games. Hopefully that will mean we won’t need to do too much in the January transfer window

    2 December: “He isn’t a naturally confident character” (As Joe Cole returns from injury)
    He isn’t a naturally confident character. He suffers when things are not going his way. Everyone at the club has worked hard to make sure he doesn’t take it too hard and take too much on himself, because he’s quite happy to take responsibility. Sometimes those players can take too much on themselves and push themselves even further down.

    9 December: “I don’t know where the stories came from” (After Brukner said Gerrard could be fit, on 30 November)

    I don’t know where the stories came from that Gerrard would be fit for Newcastle. We have always been thinking he would be fit to face Fulham the following weekend, it would be much too early to consider him for Newcastle.

    10 December: “He has been the first to recognise what a good job it was that we didn’t do these things” (On not letting Babel, Lucas et al leave)

    Christian (Purslow) was here for two years and is a big fan with strong opinions about players. He fed me the information. I listened, of course, but made it clear I was not going to act on it. To be fair, when we’ve spoken or texted he has been the first to recognise what a good job it was that we didn’t do these things, because the boys have turned out well.

    14 December: “Unless there is a major influx of cash into the club…” (After losing to Newcastle)

    Unless there is a major influx of cash into the club and the team is going to be changed from one moment to the next, then whoever takes my place will be doing a similar job with similar players.

    14 December: “I can’t work harder and I can’t work better”
    The owners have made it perfectly clear they are in it for the long term. They realise it is going to take time. They realise we can’t turn things round overnight and they also realise the team I am working with is not the team I put together. It [the speculation] doesn’t bother me because I can’t do more than I am doing. I can’t work harder and I can’t work better.

    15 December: “A bunch of also-rans”
    I don’t know if I would have considered using Fernando had David Ngog been fit. But he isn’t and, having had a chat with Fernando, I think he’ll enjoy it. It’s not as if he’ll be playing with a bunch of also-rans. I’m not asking him to play in the reserves.

    15 December: “They made me see sense”
    I thought it would be a nice game for him (Torres) and a chance for him to get his confidence back. But I also had a talk to our fitness people and they made me see sense that it wasn’t the wisest thing to do. And of course it would be very bad for us if he picked up an injury. The same applied to Pepe Reina. They made me see sense, I listened to the reason around me and I changed my mind.

  2. Tbh what liverpool achieved since 2005 its beucase of Gerrard... The man does everything for the club, not the CRAPPY managers they had now and then.

  3. Eddie Money's Avatar Eddie Money
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    liverpools problem isnt hodgson, its the massive over-reliance on 2-3 players...

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Money View Post
    liverpools problem isnt hodgson, its the massive over-reliance on 2-3 players...
    Every club is reliant on 2-3, look at Chelsea's results without Terry and Lamps.

  5. Eddie Money's Avatar Eddie Money
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    i'd far rather have chelseas squad than liverpools tho...they do have more strength in depth

  6. the bloke talks absolute rubbish, every press conference he gives makes me cringe. He does not get Liverpool FC. Not the man for the job and should get out of our club! I actually want us to lose our next game, as bad as that sounds, not ever would i want the team i support to lose but what else is going to make NESV realise that he is a arrogant senile journeyman with '35 years of experienced managing' lol!! He is not good enough for the job, 7 loses speaks for itself, not to mention Northampton and awful performances in Europa Lge.

  7. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Lol, Roy stay away from the press. It's done you no favours

  8. Quote Originally Posted by iamauser View Post
    Every club is reliant on 2-3, look at Chelsea's results without Terry and Lamps.
    without gerrard, torres or Reina l'pool could get relegated.
    chelseea wouldn't win anything without lamps,terry and drogba but would still be in top 8 at worst

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Nando9 View Post
    the bloke talks absolute rubbish, every press conference he gives makes me cringe. He does not get Liverpool FC. Not the man for the job and should get out of our club! I actually want us to lose our next game, as bad as that sounds, not ever would i want the team i support to lose but what else is going to make NESV realise that he is a arrogant senile journeyman with '35 years of experienced managing' lol!! He is not good enough for the job, 7 loses speaks for itself, not to mention Northampton and awful performances in Europa Lge.
    A true fan never hopes for a loss, regardless of person in management or whatever.

    Roy is our manager, and as much as I wish he wasn't, he is. So we all should be backing him 100% until his time is up as our manager.

    EDIT:
    You'd think Roy would have some sort of P.R team telling him what to say etc..
    Last edited by Waseyx; 20/12/2010 at 04:13 AM. Reason: Added something

  10. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donnelly1 View Post
    without gerrard, torres or Reina l'pool could get relegated.
    chelseea wouldn't win anything without lamps,terry and drogba but would still be in top 8 at worst
    Liverpool wouldnt get relegated without those players.

  11. To be fair when I watch his press conferences I wonder if he is drunk or just plain stupid. He critiscises the squad, then when we get a scrappy win, we can win the league. He's just a fucking idiot who seems to love making a fool of himself and Liverpool Football Club for that matter. We're just a laughing stock atm.

    Hodgson out.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Donnelly1 View Post
    without gerrard, torres or Reina l'pool could get relegated.
    chelseea wouldn't win anything without lamps,terry and drogba but would still be in top 8 at worst
    Well, without them, chelsea got 4 points out of 15 from memory, that would leave them struggling.

    but its also how you play your team as a manager. Ancelotti is very attacking, and is always looking to win, but i find Hodgson is too negative and will settle for draws

  13. 26 November: “We won’t need to do too much in the January transfer window” (After beating West Ham)
    I have a very clear picture now of what we should and need to be doing and the squad is stronger and getting stronger. It was probably stronger than I realised at certain stages in the early part of the season when we were losing games. Hopefully that will mean we won’t need to do too much in the January transfer window

    &

    14 December: “Unless there is a major influx of cash into the club…” (After losing to Newcastle)
    Unless there is a major influx of cash into the club and the team is going to be changed from one moment to the next, then whoever takes my place will be doing a similar job with similar players.

    The change within just over 2 weeks is astonishing.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Donnelly1 View Post
    without gerrard, torres or Reina l'pool could get relegated.
    chelseea wouldn't win anything without lamps,terry and drogba but would still be in top 8 at worst
    Are you stupid? Most of our squad are internationals. Johnson, Carragher, Agger, Kyrgiakos, Meireles, Lucas, Kuyt, Maxi and N'gog are all good players. We didn't look too bad against Villa without Torres and Gerrard, did we?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    Liverpool wouldnt get relegated without those players.
    Without those players and with Roy we'd definitely be thereabouts. But without those players and without Roy and we'd be fine.

  16. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Without those players and with Roy we'd definitely be thereabouts. But without those players and without Roy and we'd be fine.
    I cant see how he can be in the job in the New Year

  17. *Jones*'s Avatar *Jones*Premium Member
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    Lets not turn this into a Liverpool v Chelsea thread.
    The fact is, we've been a better team this season without Gerrard & Torres - so please do tell me how we rely on them when in fact we're a better team without them in our side?


    anyway, the man is a tool in front of the camera and he should stay away.
    Those asking for him to be sacked? Accept it won't happen until we have a Chief Executive in place...

  18. You guys heard of the song Roy is cracking up remix?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by *Jones* View Post
    Lets not turn this into a Liverpool v Chelsea thread.
    The fact is, we've been a better team this season without Gerrard & Torres - so please do tell me how we rely on them when in fact we're a better team without them in our side?


    anyway, the man is a tool in front of the camera and he should stay away.
    Those asking for him to be sacked? Accept it won't happen until we have a Chief Executive in place...
    To be fair, the owners have been voicing their concern lately, which can only be a good thing, they are not idiots and they can make decisions for themselves.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Donnelly1 View Post
    without gerrard, torres or Reina l'pool could get relegated.
    chelseea wouldn't win anything without lamps,terry and drogba but would still be in top 8 at worst
    Stupidist paragraph I've ever read and not just the Chelsea part.

    Woy should click "send your assistant" more often.

  21. *Jones*'s Avatar *Jones*Premium Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben View Post
    To be fair, the owners have been voicing their concern lately, which can only be a good thing, they are not idiots and they can make decisions for themselves.
    We without a permanent chief executive, i really don't see a decision being made till one is brought in. I think NESV feel they don't know enough atm. I'd rather they made a decision in the summer, and it be best for the long term and in the interest of the club, than them sack Roy and bring someone as bad in. I'd rather give Roy till the end of the season with the hope he isn't here for the start of next...

  22. Quote Originally Posted by *Jones* View Post
    We without a permanent chief executive, i really don't see a decision being made till one is brought in. I think NESV feel they don't know enough atm. I'd rather they made a decision in the summer, and it be best for the long term and in the interest of the club, than them sack Roy and bring someone as bad in. I'd rather give Roy till the end of the season with the hope he isn't here for the start of next...
    Henry and Werner surely have knowledgable football people giving them advice? If not, I might as well prepare for a season of hoofball eh?

  23. Irish Scouse's Avatar Irish ScousePremium Member
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    If it was Rafa getting these results he'd be getting torched by the media, Roy is absolutely shocking in the media.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Waseyx View Post
    A true fan never hopes for a loss, regardless of person in management or whatever.

    Roy is our manager, and as much as I wish he wasn't, he is. So we all should be backing him 100% until his time is up as our manager.

    EDIT:
    You'd think Roy would have some sort of P.R team telling him what to say etc..

    True fan...why cant we get a manager who is true to his word and talk sense, im sure he would get not only my respect, but alot of Liverpool fans respect if he didnt talk utter drivel!!
    I back the team, not that person who is incharge. The bloke is so stupid he didnt know where to play meireles. He then slates Shelvey after Northampton game when the press said Shelvey impressed, he said he didnt want to talk about positives. What a great man manager he is. And as for the comment about him never wanting to manage in Norway when speaking to a scandinavian media bod, he is darn right rude and it really is upsetting that we have him as our manage. The only thing he can manage is a good ol' face wub!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by *Jones* View Post
    We without a permanent chief executive, i really don't see a decision being made till one is brought in. I think NESV feel they don't know enough atm. I'd rather they made a decision in the summer, and it be best for the long term and in the interest of the club, than them sack Roy and bring someone as bad in. I'd rather give Roy till the end of the season with the hope he isn't here for the start of next...

    Be prepared to lose the likes of Torres and Reina then. Why would they want to give it another year when we will probably just scrape Europa this season.
    You are right in what you say though, it seems like they arent going to rush. But i know who i would rather leave the club. Surely NESV must realise how much money the world class players merchandise sells for worldwide. Im sure they must have looked at shirt sales etc.

  25. *Jones*'s Avatar *Jones*Premium Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben View Post
    Henry and Werner surely have knowledgable football people giving them advice? If not, I might as well prepare for a season of hoofball eh?
    Who at the club would be giving them advice? Apart from maybe Kenny, who lets face it, is probably a bit out of touch with modern football?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nando9 View Post
    Be prepared to lose the likes of Torres and Reina then. Why would they want to give it another year when we will probably just scrape Europa this season.
    You are right in what you say though, it seems like they arent going to rush. But i know who i would rather leave the club. Surely NESV must realise how much money the world class players merchandise sells for worldwide. Im sure they must have looked at shirt sales etc.
    I honestly don't think either will leave, even if we're in the Europa league next season. I think both are very impressed by NESV, and if they see investment (good investment) then i see no reason why they would leave...

    Put it this way, a new manager coming in now would probably do more bad than good if we're honest & i don't want a rushed decision being made just because Hodgson is doing crap. I'd rather NESV took their time, and appointed a man in the summer who'll be there for years to come..

  26. Quote Originally Posted by *Jones* View Post
    Who at the club would be giving them advice? Apart from maybe Kenny, who lets face it, is probably a bit out of touch with modern football?
    I wasn't really talking within the club. I was thinking more, friends who know friends who know a bit about football. I don't know though, chances are they don't.

  27. Zebedee's Avatar Zebedee
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    • In my football, the regista - the playmaker – is whoever had the ball. But if you have Makelele, he can’t do that. He doesn’t have the ideas to do it, although, of course, he’s great at winning the ball. It’s become all about specialists. Is football a collective and harmonious game? Or is it a question of putting x amount of talented players in and balancing them with y amount of specialists? - Sacchi
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    Quote Originally Posted by *Jones* View Post
    Who at the club would be giving them advice? Apart from maybe Kenny, who lets face it, is probably a bit out of touch with modern football?
    Comolli has been appointed with that remit and sits in on a lot of team stuff. He's also pushed for a bigger role for Kenny in that regard too - Kenny definitely isn't out of touch with modern football. Man's still an encyclopedia of football. Really is. There's also a strong 'Liverpool' element throughout the club in various roles who can comment on team matters. Mr.Hodgson and his 'goalkeeping coach' are becoming deeply unpopular with at least some of those involved in preparing the first team and Mr.Hodgson has had several requests to bring more of his own staff in turned down.

  28. I think they should get a young manager with young idea's, like Guadirola. Roy's too old to change the way he plays his game, they need someone a bit more versatile. I would love to see someone like Holloway get the job personally.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by KidSparxx View Post
    I think they should get a young manager with young idea's, like Guadirola. Roy's too old to change the way he plays his game, they need someone a bit more versatile. I would love to see someone like Holloway get the job personally.
    Why on Earth would Pep Guardirola want the liverpool job.

    Chris Houghton Anyone though?

  30. Rafa will probably be sacked in the next few weeks, anybody fancy him coming back

  31. Zebedee's Avatar Zebedee
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    • In my football, the regista - the playmaker – is whoever had the ball. But if you have Makelele, he can’t do that. He doesn’t have the ideas to do it, although, of course, he’s great at winning the ball. It’s become all about specialists. Is football a collective and harmonious game? Or is it a question of putting x amount of talented players in and balancing them with y amount of specialists? - Sacchi
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    Quote Originally Posted by joe157 View Post
    Rafa will probably be sacked in the next few weeks, anybody fancy him coming back
    Whisper is that Rafa has been preparing to move back to Liverpool for some time now. To live, not to work though. It's believed that his ultimatum this weekend has led to his sacking and that will be announced shortly.

  32. Quote Originally Posted by Scott* View Post
    Why on Earth would Pep Guardirola want the liverpool job.

    Chris Houghton Anyone though?
    Can you read?

    I meant someone young and fresh like Guadirola. Someone that can bring them something new.

  33. Quote Originally Posted by KidSparxx View Post
    Can you read?

    I meant someone young and fresh like Guadirola. Someone that can bring them something new.
    Why dont you name a manager who could do that and is realistic then? It is like me saying Utd need someone like Messi.... not really helpful.

  34. Zebedee's Avatar Zebedee
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    • In my football, the regista - the playmaker – is whoever had the ball. But if you have Makelele, he can’t do that. He doesn’t have the ideas to do it, although, of course, he’s great at winning the ball. It’s become all about specialists. Is football a collective and harmonious game? Or is it a question of putting x amount of talented players in and balancing them with y amount of specialists? - Sacchi
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    Spalletti, Pellegrini (on the shortlist of three before the appointment of Hodgson), Ville Boas, Deschamps (was on the shortlist of three before the appointment of Hodgson btw), Emery, Rijkaard....

    That's a decent shortlist of 'realistic' managers who would jump at a chance to build a dynasty.

  35. CJACKO11's Avatar CJACKO11
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    I still like him, any chance that he could have taken over a declining side???

  36. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebedee View Post
    Spalletti, Pellegrini (on the shortlist of three before the appointment of Hodgson), Ville Boas, Deschamps (was on the shortlist of three before the appointment of Hodgson btw), Emery, Rijkaard....

    That's a decent shortlist of 'realistic' managers who would jump at a chance to build a dynasty.
    I'd go for pellegrini. actually no i wouldnt. he might actually do some real good for liverpool, and we cant have that

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJACKO11 View Post
    I still like him, any chance that he could have taken over a declining side???
    No, hes not been good enough, simple as. you're quick to stick the knife in Benitez, but not Hodgson

  37. Quote Originally Posted by Zebedee View Post
    Spalletti, Pellegrini (on the shortlist of three before the appointment of Hodgson), Ville Boas, Deschamps (was on the shortlist of three before the appointment of Hodgson btw), Emery, Rijkaard....

    That's a decent shortlist of 'realistic' managers who would jump at a chance to build a dynasty.
    i would like Rijkaard as next Manager

  38. Quote Originally Posted by Scott* View Post
    Why dont you name a manager who could do that and is realistic then? It is like me saying Utd need someone like Messi.... not really helpful.
    Villas Boas/Jurgen Klopp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    I'd go for pellegrini. actually no i wouldnt. he might actually do some real good for liverpool, and we cant have that

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    No, hes not been good enough, simple as. you're quick to stick the knife in Benitez, but not Hodgson
    I like Hodgson because there has been no sort of revival at my most hated club thats why. Maybe its just me but i thought Liverpool were poor last season also and i believe can do no wrong Rafa was in charge then wasen't he??

  40. Quote Originally Posted by CJACKO11 View Post
    I like Hodgson because there has been no sort of revival at my most hated club thats why. Maybe its just me but i thought Liverpool were poor last season also and i believe can do no wrong Rafa was in charge then wasen't he??
    Last season > This season. We have just been awful this season and if it was Rafa who said these things to the press he would have been absolutely tortured. But because its the 'media friendly, wise old owl' that is Roy Hodgson he'd probably get away with murdering a press reporter.

  41. Quote Originally Posted by Zebedee View Post
    Spalletti, Pellegrini (on the shortlist of three before the appointment of Hodgson), Ville Boas, Deschamps (was on the shortlist of three before the appointment of Hodgson btw), Emery, Rijkaard....

    That's a decent shortlist of 'realistic' managers who would jump at a chance to build a dynasty.

    I not too good with Names, so help me out a bit...

    Spalletti got saked from roma yeah? So effectively failed in his last job?
    Pellegrini thats not a bad shout, yeah he also "Failed" at madrid though? ( Yeah i know, it wasn't really a fail) but got sacked.

    Ville Boas i think this dude is Porto manager, why would he leave what he has got at Porto for liverpool.. at this present stage. He is building his own Dynasty over there. The Grass isnt always greener on the other side.

    Deschamps. Good manager, good shout

    Rijaard- Did he take the Ajax in the end.. And why would you want someone who proved at barca, he has about as much tactical knowledge as a mouse.

    Emery_ Valencia yeah? Not a bad shout again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
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    No, hes not been good enough, simple as. you're quick to stick the knife in Benitez, but not Hodgson
    Different situations Mike, and you know it. Inter has just won 3 trophies and had the best side in Italy by a country mile. Liverpool finished 7th and are in a decline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Last season > This season. We have just been awful this season and if it was Rafa who said these things to the press he would have been absolutely tortured. But because its the 'media friendly, wise old owl' that is Roy Hodgson he'd probably get away with murdering a press reporter.
    I see no difference in the Liverpool from last season if im honest.

  43. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CJACKO11 View Post
    I see no difference in the Liverpool from last season if im honest.
    then you really havent been watching them

  44. Villas Boas will stay in Porto at least until the end of the season ... dont dream boys

  45. Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    Last season > This season. We have just been awful this season and if it was Rafa who said these things to the press he would have been absolutely tortured. But because its the 'media friendly, wise old owl' that is Roy Hodgson he'd probably get away with murdering a press reporter.
    But to be fair,

    Last season Affects this season in a lot of ways... They aren't independent of one anothers. Your cash supply wass shit because of last season failure to qualify for the champs league, You had to lose Masherano. and lower you wage bill, Yossi left for next to nothing.( 5 million is a sshit deal) but you needed to make the cash froms somewhere.

  46. Quote Originally Posted by Scott* View Post
    Ville Boas i think this dude is Porto manager, why would he leave what he has got at Porto for liverpool.. at this present stage. He is building his own Dynasty over there. The Grass isnt always greener on the other side.

    There's only so much of a dynasty you can build with Porto. They won the Champions League in 03/04, as high as you can get. They haven't done a great deal since. Or you can join Liverpool with new owners etc and build a dynasty there. I know which I'd rather, and any non-biased fan would agree.

  47. CJACKO11's Avatar CJACKO11
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    Why are you going mad over Villas Boas??? He has only just started his manageial carear??

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    Surely it would be a massive huge gamble.

  48. Quote Originally Posted by Alex View Post
    There's only so much of a dynasty you can build with Porto. They won the Champions League in 03/04, as high as you can get. They haven't done a great deal since. Or you can join Liverpool with new owners etc and build a dynasty there. I know which I'd rather, and any non-biased fan would agree.
    liverpool won it in 2005 though. Surely he wants to get to that stage, before he leaves. He has been liked to Mourinho, Surely he wants all of Jose Accodales before he leaves.

    "The Grass isnt always greener on the other side" That makes sense to me, when refering to him( and he could be inline to replace SAF, so hands off)

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    • In my football, the regista - the playmaker – is whoever had the ball. But if you have Makelele, he can’t do that. He doesn’t have the ideas to do it, although, of course, he’s great at winning the ball. It’s become all about specialists. Is football a collective and harmonious game? Or is it a question of putting x amount of talented players in and balancing them with y amount of specialists? - Sacchi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    I'd go for pellegrini. actually no i wouldnt. he might actually do some real good for liverpool, and we cant have that
    He'd have been my pick too - but it seems fairly obvious now that the part of the board making the decision at the time were looking for a short-term appointment who'd get the media 'onside' and stay out of any conflicts with the owners while the board room war was fought out.

    I don't know. Think Hodgson will be here til the summer and then decide that he wants some time out from the game to prepare for the England job. Mid-season is an appalling time to go looking for a new, permanent manager. And I really don't want Kenny at the helm - media hated him enough last time round, goodness knows what Sky'll make of him Actually, thinking about it... Kenny might be a good idea...

  50. Quote Originally Posted by CJACKO11 View Post
    Why are you going mad over Villas Boas??? He has only just started his manageial carear??

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    Surely it would be a massive huge gamble.

    Huge gamble worth taking.

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