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  1. zz mou is a dick never going to change so let it go life is to short to worry about him

  2. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinthehouse View Post
    A week before the season in response to myself .....





    Yanno, looking at the first quarter of the season, I think I well ‘under’ egged it lads.
    A broken clock is right twice a day. Kindly bore off

  3. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    That wasn't me digging out Chelsea for being badly run, but the chop and change of managers always has an impact. There is a reason for that and we'd be foolish to think that a lot of this can't be fixed under a new manager.

    it is pitiful how bad we actually are into 2 and a half years of a tenure, there is no solid defence, no style, no identity. That's mainly if not all on Mourinho for me. For the record I blame the board for a few things as well but Mourinho is performing way under par that it should be for a club like United.

    I'm just sick of his excuses to be honest, he really doesn't have anything to complain about other than perhaps a CB last summer. But Maguire or Toby wouldn't of fixed this like you say. We could have a central partnership of Chiellini and Bonucci... we'd still play the same lifeless dull way.
    He's failed to create an identity. We gave him the first 6-8 games and halfway through Europe. Europe was his make or break for me, and he's failed it. Need to move him on.

  4. I definitely expect him to get the boot if you won't make it out of the group.

  5. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyton View Post
    I definitely expect him to get the boot if you won't make it out of the group.
    Absolutely. Inexcusable not to

  6. I think it'll come down to probability of Champs League next season.

    If we drop out this season, but go into Europa League, it might be worth keeping him on in the hope he wins it.

    I haven't done the math, but to the corporate mind, is it better to get knocked out in the first round of Champs League, or to reach the final of Europa League (and possibly win it?)

    Trying to think like the board here. The further we get from the top four domestically, the closer to Mou getting sacked I reckon.
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  7. Modern Day Legend
    Quote Originally Posted by Snorks View Post
    I think it'll come down to probability of Champs League next season. .....
    You still make nottin the Europa even with the increased money the last few years compared to just being in the CL grouos mate.

    But I make you right on the quoted. Woodward’s tied to him after the ridiculous early extension so in all likelyhood nothing would hapoen until the backend of the season at the earliest and how that 4th place is playing out for you.
    Last edited by Scouseinthehouse; 25/10/2018 at 10:35 AM.

  8. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorks View Post
    I think it'll come down to probability of Champs League next season.

    If we drop out this season, but go into Europa League, it might be worth keeping him on in the hope he wins it.

    I haven't done the math, but to the corporate mind, is it better to get knocked out in the first round of Champs League, or to reach the final of Europa League (and possibly win it?)

    Trying to think like the board here. The further we get from the top four domestically, the closer to Mou getting sacked I reckon.
    Nah, fuck that. He's had all the support, even accounting for a semi useless Woodward. We're not making anywhere near enough of what we have. And we should be pushing in all fronts. He's got to go

  9. Like I said months ago, by the New Year, United will have a new head coach.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    Nah, fuck that. He's had all the support, even accounting for a semi useless Woodward. We're not making anywhere near enough of what we have. And we should be pushing in all fronts. He's got to go
    Can't disagree with everything you say here - but that's with my fan-head on.

    Trying to think with my Corporate head-on, it will be too expensive to get rid of him UNLESS we lose out on Champs League next season.
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  11. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorks View Post
    Can't disagree with everything you say here - but that's with my fan-head on.

    Trying to think with my Corporate head-on, it will be too expensive to get rid of him UNLESS we lose out on Champs League next season.
    It's a lot more expensive lose out on champions league than it is to fire him, let alone lose champions league and then fire him

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    It's a lot more expensive lose out on champions league than it is to fire him, let alone lose champions league and then fire him
    As I understand it, the longer it's left, the cheaper it will be to get rid of him although I don't know the details of the the early termination clause in this case, the payout is usually determined by the length of time left on the contract. Assuming it is a simple payout of lost earnings, that could be 30mil if sacked now, 15 mil if sacked next June - quite a significant amount, even for United.

    Then factor in potential earnings with the Champions League on top - it's not just a simple 'sack him know will cost xx-mil but we MIGHT get yy-mil next year.

    Selling that to Shareholders, and the potential impact on the share price (remember we are listed on the NYSE and have rules and financial regulations to follow there) which will also then impact the debt management and 'value' of the club etc etc etc.

    Sorry - corporate head on again.

    As a fan, I would say get rid now, I have been saying that for a while as a fan, but a lot of what goes on in the boardroom does make some sense. The early contract extension offered would have been as much about share prices as it was about football. Markets love stability. This will also be a huge deciding factor on if and when that contract is terminated.

    Mourinho is on about 15mill a year until 2020 with an optional extension of 1 yr (not sure who has the option) so, even if the termination is simply lost earnings, say 2 years at 15mil, plus one at 50% for the option = 37.5Mil payout. Wait a year, it drops to 22.5mil. But this is a basic minimum I would guess.

  13. Manchester United sign England youth goalkeeper Paul Woolston after his release by NUFC in the summer. I was among many surprised to see him go at the time https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6319869/Manchester-United-swoop-former-Newcastle-stopper-Paul-Woolston-free.html …


    Been on trial a few weeks. Impressed and been on the bench for the u18s last 2 matches.

  14. Mourinho on Ibrahimovic
    (Will you sign him?) No. No.


    Mourinho asked about Lukaku
    I always feel, I always feel that every game. One day will be and one day he will score and one day his confidence levels will be back to normal, which clearly they are not there but I always feel that.

    Other injury news
    All of them national team. We play against Newcastle and we go to the National Team period in a good situation and then after two weeks we lost Dalot In Portugal, Fellaini in Belgium, we lost Alexis with Chile, we lost who else? McTominay with Scotland. And some of them the National Team’s they were very professional with us and send the players back and we could start the process early - but some of them wouldn’t and they kept the players and we didn’t even know the dimension and nature of injuries so when the players arrive two days before Chelsea we have no idea of what is going on.

    Lingard injury update
    Yes, he came from the World Cup with that problem, he thought wrongly that the holiday period would bring things to normality, then he thought wrongly that keep working or start working would improve and then he felt in an impossible situation to play football.

    So now he’s going back and to do the work to try and be 100% and in this moment he’s almost there because of the team’s needs, can he help us in the next match, that is the questions we have to answer tomorrow or if we wait one more week of stability for the work so he’s almost there.

    Stick with Lukaku?
    Well against Juventus to give him a break, I don’t think Carrick can play as a striker, so against Juventus or we play with the players that we did or we decide to give a rest to Lukaku, then Rashford, who plays as a winger?

    We are not in the best situation to try to think about resting players or try to find solutions, the solutions is to play the players we have.

  15. Have been away for few days so late for the after game posts. I understand that one players should not give so much influence on team, but Pogba is baddest apple in ur team. I would rather get rid of him than Mourinho. He says he is in love with united, his old club etc etc, but he does not show it.

    When Juve game started, they showed the players in the tunnel. Ronaldo who was a pillar of United etc was so professional and focused on game. He maybe shake 1-2 hands with former staff. But Pogba just ran around hugging Juve players like this is some reunion party. From there u could now it he will be not in the game. The amount of times he just backed off with no pressure on opposite, even damn Mata was pressing with Lukaku. Yeah he had some good shots, but overall game was below par, no passion for team and be some kind of leader, like he tries for France. His stunts with media and attitude must affect so much in the dressing room and thus affecting overall performance of the team. I still think that Pogba and Sanchez where no where near the Jose transfers and purely marketing. Jose has his fault and takes most of the blame on him, but there must be bigger picture affecting that is not only done by Jose.

    There must be some revamp in the back-office, sack Jose and really consider selling Pogba.

    Small clip i saw on reddit for one of the attacks.
    https://i.imgur.com/VrdTLxG.gifv

    So to conclude it I think his tenure has been made more harder because of the influence Pogba has. Every decision about him will affect somehow the team, fans and board.
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  16. I don't know how you can see from his attitude how he will play during the match. Every player has a different character. Some prefer to be super focused on themself and be left alone and others prefer some distractions.

    It's not like Maradonna would play bad when he was juggling with the ball.

  17. Modern Day Legend
    Quote Originally Posted by lxl Ra lxl View Post
    ..... It's not like Maradonna would play bad when he was juggling with the ball.
    Just when he hadn’t had his coke.

  18. At Molineux Stadium
    Kick off at 7pm
    Live on MUTV

    Wolves are top. And we will jump above them with a win. Happy with this! Get in Mason lad
    Mason Greenwood making U23 debut tonight for #mufc. Tahith Chong starting, too.

    #MUAcademy U23s: Wolves - Kovar; Tanner, R. Williams, Poole, O'Connor; Gomes, Garner, Hamilton; Chong, Greenwood, Bohui.


    Subs: Woolston, Warren, Whelan, Barlow, Buffonge.

    1-0 wolves scrappy goal. Utd struggling with the 352.

    1-1 just after half time. Great link up play by Gomes and Greenwood. Greenwood with a great finish with his right after a good ball through from Gomes. The lad just can’t stop

    2-1 Wolves. Tanner gets hacked down from behind by the Wolves winger. No free kick given for some very strange reason...... the winger dribbles past a couple of Utd players who have half stopped expecting a foul. And he rifles it into the top corner from 20 yards out. Red been letting Wolves get away with murder this half!

    FT 2-1. Absolute joke! Chong, Gomes, Greenwood, Garner all stepped up big time second half. Kept going despite the ref letting Wolves get away with just pure thuggish play. Blatant pens denied at the end. And countless challenges that could of been cards just waved on.
    Last edited by Theatre of Dreams83; 26/10/2018 at 08:56 PM.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinthehouse View Post
    Just when he hadn’t had his coke.
    Or whatever other substance was available, the odd 'energy' jab does wonders.... (unless you are the Brazilian Ronaldo....).

  20. I don't know what's worse the fact that Mourinho is now comparing our ambitions to Everton or the lack of our board's balls to do anything about it. Mourinho has been mocking this club all through this season and I'm bloody sick of how no one even does anything about it. Sure he has a right to free speech but surely someone in that boardroom realises how it is killing confidence and making Manchester United look like a shambles.

    Preseason he started it all with the "I don't know why people would come and watch us"..... it has just continued and continued. Ed Woodward is a joke of a man so I wouldn't be surprised if he bottles sacking him again until it's too late.

    I honestly haven't felt any passion from Mourinho lately and I'm getting more convinced now he just doesn't give a shit anymore.

  21. Another example of Mourinho killing confidence that has gone under the radar a bit.... after Juventus match when asked why he didn't make any substitutions "I didn't have any players who could change the game"......... great way to totally mock players who you've spent £50m on like Fred and youngsters such as Chong. Even if he believes that is true, you don't say shit like that if you care about the players and squad harmony.

  22. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Another example of Mourinho killing confidence that has gone under the radar a bit.... after Juventus match when asked why he didn't make any substitutions "I didn't have any players who could change the game"......... great way to totally mock players who you've spent £50m on like Fred and youngsters such as Chong. Even if he believes that is true, you don't say shit like that if you care about the players and squad harmony.
    Feel like he's waiting to get sacked. And the board are too cowardly to do so
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    Feel like he's waiting to get sacked. And the board are too cowardly to do so
    Ideal for him, isn't it? He gets a humongous pay-off, and gets to say he wasn't backed by the board (will completely gloss over the insane money spent on other transfers).

    Also, Mou was supposed to be this pragmatic, tough as nails guy. He's anything from pragmatic, from what I've seen, he seems a younger version of van Gaal. Too stubborn to try something new (Sanchez on the right, release shackles on the players). And FFS, he seems bent on wanting the squad to absorb pressure, when it is clear our squad is unable to do that. At all.

    And hell, he has shot the confidence of our players so damn low. Bailly, who was arguably among the top 10 CB's in one season, goes to a CB who is wrecked, and short of confidence. Honestly, have not seen Mourinho properly develop a player in the time he was here. He gets the best out of them if they are playing well (or atleast tries to). But when their confidence seems shot, he seems to just give up (arguably, Sanchez and Lukaku can be considered the exception to that rule.)

  24. He’ll happily take a pay off and put himself in the mix for Bayern, Madrid etc.

  25. I couldn't take Mourinho at all seriously anymore when he got schooled by Frank Lampard..... no offence to him but a manager novice with a weaker team, yet they played the better football. All Mourinho excuses about this and that, he clearly didn't watch or take anything from his opposite in that game. Its not all about resources Mourinho, good coaching and man management can go a long way.
    Last edited by zzeezzy; 27/10/2018 at 04:18 PM.

  26. I think he himself will be annoyed how it's worked out. Can't help but feel being Sir Alex's successor was always his dream, and even though he didn't get that position directly, being the man the club turned to to re-steady the monstrous ship that Manchester United would've been close enough to that dream. Slightly unfortunate for his spell to coincide with the great Pep Guardiola, and his historic Man City team.

  27. Modern Day Legend
    Good luck tomorrow.

    Sincerely hope yers wallop the Ev.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinthehouse View Post
    Good luck tomorrow.

    Sincerely hope yers wallop the Ev.
    Yeah.... I mean it's like 2 in 1 bingo..... Mourinho gets a win and Everton lose.
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by Sherkey View Post
    Also, Mou was supposed to be this pragmatic, tough as nails guy. He's anything from pragmatic, from what I've seen, he seems a younger version of van Gaal. Too stubborn to try something new (Sanchez on the right, release shackles on the players). A
    Are we talking about the same LVG who played Ashley Young as striker?



  30. The thoughts of everyone at Manchester United are with @LCFC and those affected by tonight’s incident at King Power Stadium. Tomorrow’s women’s game will be postponed till a later date.


    rightly so! Tragic event really! Thoughts and prayers with everyone at the club
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  31. I read a comment on United youtube for Mourinho presser that we've only won 3 in 12 games...... that's bloody awful!

    Mourinho being a bit of a dick if he doesn't drop Lukaku today, he needs a rest and has been terrible. Funny how he keeps playing him religiously but other players like pereira have one bad game and not too be seen again.

  32. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    I read a comment on United youtube for Mourinho presser that we've only won 3 in 12 games...... that's bloody awful!

    Mourinho being a bit of a dick if he doesn't drop Lukaku today, he needs a rest and has been terrible. Funny how he keeps playing him religiously but other players like pereira have one bad game and not too be seen again.
    with not Lingard or Sanchez its hard to see him dropping him tbh. Will be the same line up against Chelsea imo.

  33. I remember when LVG was going through a tough period and had injuries he gave Rashford his debut in Europa League.. we know what happened. But this also did give a new burst of life into the United team when we faced Arsenal at Old Trafford the following weekend, we saw a re-energised United who won the game.

    Mourinho being Mourinho this will not happen however what I'm getting at is it just is all predictable at the moment, we have players who would love an opportunity at this point and deserve a look in. If I don't see Fred at some point today, then I seriously give up. Hell I'd even give Chong a go over Rashford if he must start Lukaku again.

  34. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    I remember when LVG was going through a tough period and had injuries he gave Rashford his debut in Europa League.. we know what happened. But this also did give a new burst of life into the United team when we faced Arsenal at Old Trafford the following weekend, we saw a re-energised United who won the game.

    Mourinho being Mourinho this will not happen however what I'm getting at is it just is all predictable at the moment, we have players who would love an opportunity at this point and deserve a look in. If I don't see Fred at some point today, then I seriously give up. Hell I'd even give Chong a go over Rashford if he must start Lukaku again.
    Dont expect any u23s starting. I would be surprised to see any on the bench. Especially after playing 90 mins Friday night and being absolutely smashed from pillar to post for most of them against a ridiculously physical Wolves team.

  35. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Dont expect any u23s starting. I would be surprised to see any on the bench. Especially after playing 90 mins Friday night and being absolutely smashed from pillar to post for most of them against a ridiculously physical Wolves team.
    Didn't realise Chong played in that, if he did then yeah no chance of him today. not that there would of ever been a chance with Mou!

  36. Hooray Lukaku dropped, Mourinho has finally saw some sense.

  37. Good to see Fred start. Still think Lukaku would be better starting instead of a Rashford.

  38. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Good to see Fred start. Still think Lukaku would be better starting instead of a Rashford.
    Lukaku has looked shot for weeks mate, he badly needs the rest. Plus he has just genuinely been not playing well. Rashford might not be ideal but at least he'll give us some legs.

  39. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Lukaku has looked shot for weeks mate, he badly needs the rest. Plus he has just genuinely been not playing well. Rashford might not be ideal but at least he'll give us some legs.
    Problem with Rashford is that he will give us legs, but little else. Sometimes, the lad just doesn't think//

  40. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Lukaku has looked shot for weeks mate, he badly needs the rest. Plus he has just genuinely been not playing well. Rashford might not be ideal but at least he'll give us some legs.
    Not like Lukaku hasn’t been putting in the effort he’s been closing down well and running the channels. His service has been the main problem. Rashford been a lot worse imo. Tbh they should of been dropped. Rashford wasn’t even getting back to help out the FB against Chelsea.

    Rashfords slowly turning into the Valencia of the RW position. Doesn’t take on his man, turns back then passes it back or sideways. On the odd occasion he does try he runs into about 4 players into a blind ally. Needs to think a bit more!
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  41. Mata on the right. Sigh! Fred been pretty good so far but rusty. But lots of energy and been getting on the ball. Matic awful. Martial best player so far.
    Last edited by Theatre of Dreams83; 28/10/2018 at 05:25 PM.

  42. Pure class from Martial. Fortunate Pogba. Get in!

  43. Dive, and shit run up.

  44. Small little tweak after 20 mins has worked wonders. Instead of having Matic at the base he’s put Fred next to him and pushed Pogba further forward. Has Rashford touched the ball this half?

  45. Quote Originally Posted by wkdsoul View Post
    Dive, and shit run up.
    Oh his run up has finished then? I fell asleep waiting for him to finish taking the pen
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  46. Martial

    FFS Young!
    Last edited by Theatre of Dreams83; 28/10/2018 at 06:11 PM.

  47. Martial is different gravy, absolute travesty how Mourinho has handled him up till now. Hope he has finally realised that treating him correctly and giving him consistent games brings out the player we saw prior to Sanchez arrival.
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  48. Terrible by Rashford!

  49. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Terrible by Rashford!
    Been making good runs off the ball tbf, especially in first half and that is always a pain for defences. I still think done the team a world of good giving Lukaku a rest and Fred back. But Lukaku been playing constant football since world cup, probably needs few more weeks off ideally.

    Zidane with Evra as assistant, with the likes of Pogba and Martial would be exciting!

  50. Terrible decision to bring on Lukaku in this situation, he needed the rest, wtf Mourinho!

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