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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Ronaldo.7 net has been banned from streaming prem games from now on. I just google TSN4 live stream
    yes ronaldo bye bye, last time i watched chelsea game here no link just HD video player works fine https://www.soccertowatch.com/chelsea-live-stream/

  2. Quote Originally Posted by Sherkey View Post
    As long as it isn't like last summer, I'm okay with it. We really need to strengthen across multiple areas, while renewing players. Getting DDG and Herrera on new contracts is a priority, Mata, not so much. And gah. Sanchez's wages have screwed the entire structure. Should never have paid that much in wages to him. I mean, City balked at it.
    Wont be anything like last seasons window. That was mainly down to a standoff with Ed and Mourinho and Ed not wanting to spend huge on 30 yr olds. While potentially losing top youngsters in the process who Mou didn’t fancy.

    Ole has made it clear what type of signings he/club wants and I’m 100% sure Ed will provide the funds.

  3. True. Now, however, there seems to be crazy noise about Pogba wanting to leave. I'm hoping it's just rumour mills doing the rounds.

  4. Modern Day Legend
    Yanno, for a lot of the flights of fancy bouncing around here, most of which are complete non-starters without CL football, which is no given as tight as that battle is (and FWIW I’ll lay everything I have Dortmund, after cashing in on Dembele and Pulisic the last few years, resist any offer from any club this summer for Sancho); every time I watxh the Dutch National side a lad who desperatly wants to return to the PL stands out. Yet madly never gets a memtion in the fantasy rumour game.

    Memphis Depay has matured into a fantastic player now fulfilling his top potential. He’s been as key as anyone the last months to the Dutch revival after the atrocious Blind was binned and Koeman brought him back into the squad. A Nations Cup semi. And of the 6 qualifying goals the Dutch scored over the past week, he’s bagged three of them with three assists.

    Nice turnaround story of someone having it all too early and not being mature enough to deal with it at Utd who’s now grown up, faced his off-field issues, to be one of the brightest talents out there.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinthehouse View Post
    Yanno, for a lot of the flights of fancy bouncing around here, most of which are complete non-starters without CL football, which is no given as tight as that battle is (and FWIW I’ll lay everything I have Dortmund, after cashing in on Dembele and Pulisic the last few years, resist any offer from any club this summer for Sancho); every time I watxh the Dutch National side a lad who desperatly wants to return to the PL stands out. Yet madly never gets a memtion in the fantasy rumour game.

    Memphis Depay has matured into a fantastic player now fulfilling his top potential. He’s been as key as anyone the last months to the Dutch revival after the atrocious Blind was binned and Koeman brought him back into the squad. A Nations Cup semi. And of the 6 qualifying goals the Dutch scored over the past week, he’s bagged three of them with three assists.

    Nice turnaround story of someone having it all too early and not being mature enough to deal with it at Utd who’s now grown up, faced his off-field issues, to be one of the brightest talents out there.
    In the Dutch NT he has great numbers. But at his club in France he isn't happy at all. Makes you wonder...

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Sherkey View Post
    True. Now, however, there seems to be crazy noise about Pogba wanting to leave. I'm hoping it's just rumour mills doing the rounds.
    Slow news mate. Yep Pogba and Martial to Madrid. Rashford to Barca. Herrera to Arsenal with Smalling. We will start next season with Ole and Phelan starting at this rate. Maybe McKenna and Carrick to

  7. Depay is way to one dimensional. Has been, will be. He has a good right peg and that is it. Everything else is average at best.

  8. Modern Day Legend
    Quote Originally Posted by Vanjagl View Post
    Depay is way to one dimensional. Has been, will be. He has a good right peg and that is it. Everything else is average at best.
    You definately need to watch him more mate.

    His game has evolved massively.

  9. Playing as a striker suits him better, but he still has the same issues he had in PSV and United, he just polished his strengths a bit. He's a good player, thats for sure, just not good enough for top level.

  10. Modern Day Legend
    Completely different evaluation to the one I’d have on him but there you go.

    I’d personally be very happy to have him added into our mix with his versatility to cover 3/4 positions without much of a drop off.

  11. Depay has evolved and now plays in a 10 role, where he has freedom to show his abilities and is not burdened by excessive defensive tasks. He had a brilliant 17/18 season with Lyon, and he's having a solid season right now, tho not as productive as the one before.
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  12. We don't need another makeshift player again, just get a proper RW who can play that role properly. Got to say it pains me to say it but Sane is a City player I'd dearly love, he reminds me a bit of Giggs in many ways. He's obviously more used on the left (I think) but just thought I'd put it out there.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by brunoh View Post
    Depay has evolved and now plays in a 10 role, where he has freedom to show his abilities and is not burdened by excessive defensive tasks. He had a brilliant 17/18 season with Lyon, and he's having a solid season right now, tho not as productive as the one before.
    You see, people saying he's a Ronaldo kinda player got it wrong. He's not a winger that plays always open, looking to beat his player in a 1x1 situation, nor a striker that thrives making runs to receive the ball behind the defense. He's at his best when he has the ball in his feet and is allowed freedom. He is not a player for positional football (Van Gaal) or highly structured tactics (Mourinho). Tho he's dutch, he is almost a brazilian kinda player.

    So, he's very creative, but to bring him to play at his best we need a manager that likes the 10 role.

    Mourinho was very astute to insert a buyback clause in the transfer.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinthehouse View Post
    Completely different evaluation to the one I’d have on him but there you go.

    I’d personally be very happy to have him added into our mix with his versatility to cover 3/4 positions without much of a drop off.
    I do believe he'd thrive under Klopp. The only worry is that he plays roughly in the same areas of the pitch as Firmino, who's dropping very deep nowadays.
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  15. Modern Day Legend
    Quote Originally Posted by brunoh View Post
    I do believe he'd thrive under Klopp. The only worry is that he plays roughly in the same areas of the pitch as Firmino, who's dropping very deep nowadays.
    Like I alluded to above, his versatility to cover right across the fromt 3, or as a playmaking 10, would be invaluable to have. (Not into this ‘specific player for a specific role’ notion personally in todays game. Flexibility is key. Not least during games. So the more versatiiity the better for me.). And he’s more than competent with little drop-off right across that. So much you can do with him that he’d be a real fun addition to anyones arsenal IMHO. The stats only tell a part of the story. Lads a constant menance going forward and a bitch to pick up in his floating role.

    Terrific talent. His maturity on and off the field has been nice to see blossom the last few years.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinthehouse View Post
    Like I alluded to above, his versatility to cover right across the fromt 3, or as a playmaking 10, would be invaluable to have. (Not into this ‘specific player for a specific role’ notion personally in todays game. Flexibility is key. Not least during games. So the more versatiiity the better for me.). And he’s more than competent with little drop-off right across that. So much you can do with him that he’d be a real fun addition to anyones arsenal IMHO. The stats only tell a part of the story. Lads a constant menance going forward and a bitch to pick up in his floating role.

    Terrific talent. His maturity on and off the field has been nice to see blossom the last few years.
    Interesting argument you make about flexibility. I feel the same. We don't see players that feel confortable all around the pitch anymore. We used to have total attackers like Henry, Bergkamp, Ronaldo. Wich position they played: CF? Winger? False nine? Second striker? Yeah, all of them.

    The modern football is too sectorized. That's an ugly side to Guardiola's positional play becoming the dominant footballing culture. Some players require more freedom than the system allows them.

    That's the problem with brazilian football right now. Trying to tell young players that they either are a winger, a cf or a 10, and that they should therefore stick to one determined area of the pitch. But our culture is that the best players should be with or near the ball at all times, and sticking to your position waiting for the ball to come (as Guardiola did to Henry, for instance) is extremely unnatural. If Ronaldo was born in this generation, coaches would certainly make him a winger that sticks to the sideline at all times.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by brunoh View Post
    Interesting argument you make about flexibility. I feel the same. We don't see players that feel confortable all around the pitch anymore. We used to have total attackers like Henry, Bergkamp, Ronaldo. Wich position they played: CF? Winger? False nine? Second striker? Yeah, all of them.

    The modern football is too sectorized. That's an ugly side to Guardiola's positional play becoming the dominant footballing culture. Some players require more freedom than the system allows them.

    That's the problem with brazilian football right now. Trying to tell young players that they either are a winger, a cf or a 10, and that they should therefore stick to one determined area of the pitch. But our culture is that the best players should be with or near the ball at all times, and sticking to your position waiting for the ball to come (as Guardiola did to Henry, for instance) is extremely unnatural. If Ronaldo was born in this generation, coaches would certainly make him a winger that sticks to the sideline at all times.
    Cantona was a superb all around player.

  18. Watching the (terrible) Brazil's friendlies, i was impressed with four players: Telles (best LB in Europe not in a top side), Allan (pressing powers like Kante but good technique too), David Neres and Everton.

    Everton plays mostly as a LW, but he can also play in the right. He's very skilled and a natural dribbler. Lacks finishing. He's been linked to us before. Not a starter right away, but a good option in the bench.

  19. Modern Day Legend
    Quote Originally Posted by brunoh View Post
    ..... That's the problem with brazilian football right now. Trying to tell young players that they either are a winger, a cf or a 10, and that they should therefore stick to one determined area of the pitch. .....
    Interestingly, a Brazilian journalist made a similar distinction on Firmino (who I don’t think theres a more complete all-round forward anywhere. Better, more consistent goalscorers. But his workrate and all round game is unrivalled) the other day and how the rest of the National side needs to catch up with him:

    https://www.thisisanfield.com/2019/0...e-perfect-fit/

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinthehouse View Post
    Interestingly, a Brazilian journalist made a similar distinction on Firmino (who I don’t think theres a more complete all-round forward anywhere. Better, more consistent goalscorers. But his workrate and all round game is unrivalled) the other day and how the rest of the National side needs to catch up with him:

    https://www.thisisanfield.com/2019/0...e-perfect-fit/
    Firmino likes to drop deep to link-up play with his teammates and to create space. Tite wants him to play as an authentic striker, making runs behind the defense. It kills his football.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinthehouse View Post
    Like I alluded to above, his versatility to cover right across the fromt 3, or as a playmaking 10, would be invaluable to have. (Not into this ‘specific player for a specific role’ notion personally in todays game. Flexibility is key. Not least during games. So the more versatiiity the better for me.). And he’s more than competent with little drop-off right across that. So much you can do with him that he’d be a real fun addition to anyones arsenal IMHO. The stats only tell a part of the story. Lads a constant menance going forward and a bitch to pick up in his floating role.

    Terrific talent. His maturity on and off the field has been nice to see blossom the last few years.
    Not sure how much he has matured off the field, there seem to be pretty frequent issues between him and the rest of the squad and the manager in Lyon. He is also playing a lot better for the Dutch National team than he is for Lyon where he isn't really hitting the same level he managed the season before. I think he is clearly a talented footballer but he would still be a very risky signing for anyone to make I think, and Lyon also aren't known for letting players go on the cheap


    Also there's this


  22. Modern Day Legend
    Quote Originally Posted by ninjaskill View Post
    Not sure how much he has matured off the field .....

    Also there's this .....
    Not my taste, and the cigar’s ill-advised, but he’s well into his music and that career he’s setting up for himself after football right?

    There’s been incidents. That’s the rub witn such a personality. But not nearly as many as earlier in his career. He appears like Ibrahimovic to me with that unwavering belief in himself as the best, along with being a charismatic , expressive personality, that comes across as arrogant to some and rubs them up the wrong way. The narrative’s written.

    Matured in so much as his work rate and dedication are markedly better than when he was at Utd and the incidents are fewer. And by all accounts he has personal psychologists/ a life coach et all helping him develop and control his anger. Not perfect and a says to go but a whole bunch better than he was.

    With the obvious caveat of not being able to speak to anyone at Lyon, on the face of it I wouldn’t be scared off by his past when he’s trying to inprove on his future.

  23. LvG, despite bitterness attached, dropped a lot of hometruths yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhQQ View Post
    LvG, despite bitterness attached, dropped a lot of hometruths yesterday.
    That L’pool are a better team than Barcelona and City? I’ll tell you in a few months.

    Nice of you to say though mate.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by RhQQ View Post
    LvG, despite bitterness attached, dropped a lot of hometruths yesterday.
    Think he was talking whack personally, he says there is no difference between Mourinho and Solskjaer football - calling it 'park the bus'.

    Now don't get me wrong there have been games where let's face it we have sat deep, but that's the only parallel. With Ole it's different to Mourinho because he allows the counter by keeping wide playera higher up the pitch.

    Not to mention that Ole for the most part has been more expansive for sure against the smaller teams.

    I'm not entirely convinced by Solskjaer, but comparing the football to Mourinho is just dribble if you ask me.

  26. Did find it wierd him saying football under Ole had been boring!

  27. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Think he was talking whack personally, he says there is no difference between Mourinho and Solskjaer football - calling it 'park the bus'.

    Now don't get me wrong there have been games where let's face it we have sat deep, but that's the only parallel. With Ole it's different to Mourinho because he allows the counter by keeping wide playera higher up the pitch.

    Not to mention that Ole for the most part has been more expansive for sure against the smaller teams.

    I'm not entirely convinced by Solskjaer, but comparing the football to Mourinho is just dribble if you ask me.
    That seems to be the only thing emotional United fans have taken from it. Ignoring every bit of sense he spoke and just disregarded it all as “whack” because he said Ole plays counter attacking footy. That epitomises what’s wrong with our club and fans. The glazers need to be OUT. We’re a football club, not a business.


  28. ?


    United prepared to back Solskjaer with up to four signings amid their change in transfer strategy #mufc https://www.manches

  29. Quote Originally Posted by RhQQ View Post
    That seems to be the only thing emotional United fans have taken from it. Ignoring every bit of sense he spoke and just disregarded it all as “whack” because he said Ole plays counter attacking footy. That epitomises what’s wrong with our club and fans. The glazers need to be OUT. We’re a football club, not a business.
    lol glazers out like thats ever going to happen thay make too much money to sell get over it

  30. Mark Ogden and Ducker echoing what Luckhurst tweet says. Saying we will be signing young potential WC talents and no longer signing players in there late 20s unless they are undoubtedly WC players.

  31. United vs Perth Glory - 13th July (Perth)
    United vs Leeds - 17th July (Perth)
    United vs Inter Milan - 20th July (Singapore)
    United vs Spurs - 25th July (Shanghai)
    United vs Milan - 3rd August (Cardiff)

  32. Depay is a right-footed Robben, except shit.

    That is all.
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  33. Solskjaer confirmed. 3 year contract

    https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detai...l-time-manager

  34. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    OLE IS AT THE WHEEL

    Given they announced it at this stage, seems clear that a) Poch wasn't going to leave Spurs b) he's obviously done a good job on and off the pitch c) they don't want to leave planning for next season too late.

    No idea how the next three years will go, but at least it will be entertaining. Need a key centre back, right wing, full back, and to resign herrera and Mata. Chuck Sanchez in a skip.

  35. Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    OLE IS AT THE WHEEL

    Given they announced it at this stage, seems clear that a) Poch wasn't going to leave Spurs b) he's obviously done a good job on and off the pitch c) they don't want to leave planning for next season too late.

    No idea how the next three years will go, but at least it will be entertaining. Need a key centre back, right wing, full back, and to resign herrera and Mata. Chuck Sanchez in a skip.
    This is really good! And it would have been an injustice, had he not got it, no matter what happens in the future.

    I don't even mind if Mata goes on a free (I would prefer retaining him). I want DDG and Herrera on long term contracts first. And then Pogba (despite the 2+1 years, as these three are the greatest chances of leaving). Flog off Rojo, Darmian, Sanchez, maybe Jones (and get in Tuanzebe). That atleast gets rid of deadwood.

    Think we will go after a FB and CM this season, and maybe a young CB (or Alderweireld, dunno). We desperately need a proper RW too. Sancho would work quite well, yes please. And we get Chong, Gomes and Greenwood involved in the first team slowly. It can shape up quite well, but we need to get this window right. And get a DoF in.

  36. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherkey View Post
    This is really good! And it would have been an injustice, had he not got it, no matter what happens in the future.

    I don't even mind if Mata goes on a free (I would prefer retaining him). I want DDG and Herrera on long term contracts first. And then Pogba (despite the 2+1 years, as these three are the greatest chances of leaving). Flog off Rojo, Darmian, Sanchez, maybe Jones (and get in Tuanzebe). That atleast gets rid of deadwood.

    Think we will go after a FB and CM this season, and maybe a young CB (or Alderweireld, dunno). We desperately need a proper RW too. Sancho would work quite well, yes please. And we get Chong, Gomes and Greenwood involved in the first team slowly. It can shape up quite well, but we need to get this window right. And get a DoF in.
    Nah we need Mata, or otherwise we'll have to sign another versatile player.

    Darmian, Rojo, Sanchez are out.

    Too class CB to partner Lindelof , Sancho, full back would be a dream in

    DOF to be landed

  37. Just don’t get making the decision/announcement in March when top 4 & CL is still very much in the air. Even if I was going to appoint him, I’d let him finish the season on a “you’re hired if you get us CL” mindset.

    But hey, we wouldn’t be post-Fergie Manchester United if we didn’t make rash decisions.
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  38. Ole at the wheel Ole at the wheel fantastic news. Like Mike said above. He’s clearly earned it so far and it helps a lot with the summer and next season planning. Let the fun times role

  39. Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    Nah we need Mata, or otherwise we'll have to sign another versatile player.

    Darmian, Rojo, Sanchez are out.

    Too class CB to partner Lindelof , Sancho, full back would be a dream in

    DOF to be landed
    That's true too. I would say Chong, as he can play in all three roles behind the striker, but it's still a bit too early for him, I guess. Retaining Mata for a year would work rather well, but he may want starting time, which we may not be able to give. Depay is an interesting shout if Mata leaves, mind, but his attitude could cause problems in the dressing room.

    As for a top class CB, if we are actively trying to get Sancho, I don't think we will be in for a CB this summer (unless Varane becomes available, then I think Woodward will go no holds barred for him). I think Alderweireld is our most likely target at 25 Mn; if not, I expect to see us bring in younger talent.

    Full back, we really need to strengthen, but we may just be planning to get back Fosu-Mensah and blood him in, I don't know (considering we have Young as cover/start). RW, no arguments, we sorely need Sancho. There are some rumblings about Lozano too, but I don't know much about him.

    Of course, many of these targets are dependent on us getting into the CL. That has to be the top priority. It does feel strange making that statement, mind you, because when Ole took over, there was no chance of it happening. At all. Which again, is a testament to his first few months in charge, it has been brilliant.

  40. Quote Originally Posted by RhQQ View Post
    Just don’t get making the decision/announcement in March when top 4 & CL is still very much in the air. Even if I was going to appoint him, I’d let him finish the season on a “you’re hired if you get us CL” mindset.

    But hey, we wouldn’t be post-Fergie Manchester United if we didn’t make rash decisions.
    You can look at it another way too. With the announcement over and done with, the uncertainty in the dressing room is gone, and players know where they stand, and with whom next season. That can help too, with performances on the field as well as contract negotiations.

  41. My wish list
    In: Sancho, Pavard and Neves(If James is available, go for him too)
    Out: Sanchez, Rojo, Darmian
    we can also get depay back as backup

  42. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RhQQ View Post
    Just don’t get making the decision/announcement in March when top 4 & CL is still very much in the air. Even if I was going to appoint him, I’d let him finish the season on a “you’re hired if you get us CL” mindset.

    But hey, we wouldn’t be post-Fergie Manchester United if we didn’t make rash decisions.
    Because it's clear they aren't gonna get Poch. Given how far off we were from CL, the fact that were even in contention is down to him. We could still finish third.
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  43. There will be a 'gesture of goodwill' from @ManUtd to Molde. This may involve a game, although this is still to be agreed. No word on Mike Phelan future as Ole's day and he is under contract elsewhere. He will be staying though I’m told.



    On signings don’t expect any over 25/6 yr of age imo.




  44. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Equilibrio View Post
    My wish list
    In: Sancho, Pavard and Neves(If James is available, go for him too)
    Out: Sanchez, Rojo, Darmian
    we can also get depay back as backup
    Pavane has just signed for bayern for 80m euros, James is terribly overrated

    We don't need depay as back up

  45. Yeah Woodward said that they announced it now for clarity and help with future contracts. Makes perfect sense. Expect a host of new renewals incoming sharpish.

    Targets for me. Sancho, Fernandes, Milenkovic or Skrinrar

  46. Not sure why we'd keep Mata, said it before but why do people think he's versatile now? He is slower than a pensioner now and no use anywhere other than no.10. But we don't use a no.10 so why are we keeping him? I don't get why we keep wanting to stick with players that are either not good enough or don't fit the system going forward.

    It will only hinder us if we keep these types of players, the squad is bloated as it is and we need room for signings that will improve the team. As well as youth because at the moment there is too many players in their way.

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    Regarding Solskjaer, terrible timing in my opinion. This board is clueless when it comes to making decisions at the right time, we've just lost 2 games and are outside the top 4. So now if we do finish the season poorly we're basically stuck with him.

    Not as bad as being stuck with this board mind you, where any manager is destined to fail because they still haven't changed what they promised when Mourinho was gone. Sentimental fans will forget all that now and expect miracles next season.
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  47. Players are chuffed going off the SM posts. This feels like the reset and the fresh start after Fergie..

  48. Bloody hell Zz Not had your porridge or good nights sleep we’ve played with an AM behind 2 STR a fair bit under Ole.

  49. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Not sure why we'd keep Mata, said it before but why do people think he's versatile now? He is slower than a pensioner now and no use anywhere other than no.10. But we don't use a no.10 so why are we keeping him? I don't get why we keep wanting to stick with players that are either not good enough or don't fit the system going forward.

    It will only hinder us if we keep these types of players, the squad is bloated as it is and we need room for signings that will improve the team. As well as youth because at the moment there is too many players in their way.

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    Regarding Solskjaer, terrible timing in my opinion. This board is clueless when it comes to making decisions at the right time, we've just lost 2 games and are outside the top 4. So now if we do finish the season poorly we're basically stuck with him.

    Not as bad as being stuck with this board mind you, where any manager is destined to fail because they still haven't changed what they promised when Mourinho was gone. Sentimental fans will forget all that now and expect miracles next season.
    This... Makes no sense

    1) we often play a diamond


    2) he's the only player who can cover Pogba at MC, which is pretty fucking important

    3) it's pretty important in terms of contracts for some very big players, you know, like De Gea. Players want some stability, especially before they resign.

    3) we weren't even close to top when he signed. And now we're easily in contention

    The squad isn't bloated in attack.

    I've come to the conclusion you'll literally never be happy. Ever

  50. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Mata can and has played. Cm, 10, and every wide position. And it's not all about pace. Especially when he's playing 10 and MC. We all know you have. An irrational dislike of Mata, it doesn't make your points against less stupid

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