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  1. no 1 had shit to say when we were winning well maybe zz but thats his way no we have a bad run and you all come out

  2. Quote Originally Posted by kitchin75 View Post
    no 1 had shit to say when we were winning well maybe zz but thats his way no we have a bad run and you all come out
    I just don't get why we appoint a manager before we know how they do after a bad spell, it will happen eventually and now when it does we see that it can be very hard to get back to winning ways.

  3. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    I just don't get why we appoint a manager before we know how they do after a bad spell, it will happen eventually and now when it does we see that it can be very hard to get back to winning ways.
    Tbh mate we got back to winning ways. And was playing better till the sending off. Ole has done great since being here tbh. Obviously we are going through a bit of a bump. Any manager would tbh in these conditions. There is absolutely no difference now giving him the job or at the end of the season. The club clearly have a plan and can see this manager and staff can take us forward.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Tbh mate we got back to winning ways. And was playing better till the sending off. Ole has done great since being here tbh. Obviously we are going through a bit of a bump. Any manager would tbh in these conditions. There is absolutely no difference now giving him the job or at the end of the season. The club clearly have a plan and can see this manager and staff can take us forward.
    Well I wish I had your faith in the direction of this club but right now I don't sadly. Truth be told I think we're absolutely miles away from being back to any major silverware and that's the most depressing thing. This appointment and with Mike Phelan doesn't seem like a club looking to build but rather rely on the old. We all know that Solskjaer and Phelan are Fergie disciples, yes I suppose it's the united way but dated now like LVG/Mourinho philosophies.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Well I wish I had your faith in the direction of this club but right now I don't sadly. Truth be told I think we're absolutely miles away from being back to any major silverware and that's the most depressing thing. This appointment and with Mike Phelan doesn't seem like a club looking to build but rather rely on the old. We all know that Solskjaer and Phelan are Fergie disciples, yes I suppose it's the united way but dated now like LVG/Mourinho philosophies.
    Im pretty sure he’s got the job forcwhat he’s done so far the place he’s gotten us and his ideas for the club. Not because he played under Fergie or Phelan worked for Fergie. That’s just tosh if you ask me! I like to know who you think would be the so called WC manager to take us forward.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Im pretty sure he’s got the job forcwhat he’s done so far the place he’s gotten us and his ideas for the club. Not because he played under Fergie or Phelan worked for Fergie. That’s just tosh if you ask me! I like to know who you think would be the so called WC manager to take us forward.
    Didn't say world-class mate but think we needed a happy medium between experienced in top level management (I'm not counting Molde and Cardiff as that) and a head coach that is not dated like LVG with his principles.

    I'm not saying that I have the obvious answer but I just din't think the board have done a good enough recruitment process, it seems to me like they wanted Pochettino or Solskjaer without any other real consideration/ I'm not here to know but there is managers out there that have a more credible CV than Solskjaer, we'd be naive to think otherwise. I don't want to go in on Solskjaer at all, but I just feel that this appointment is destined to fail at this time because the size of the job is bigger than ever here.

    The recurring them under Solskjaer football even when winning is that we are very clinical usually with our limited chances. We just don't create enough in games usually and apart from the opening 15 minutes tonight when we had Lingard/Lukaku glaring chance, what else did we really have chance wise? I can just think of one McTominay header and a few pot shots in second half.

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    There are a lot of problems that need fixing over the summer, Solskjaer is the man who has to steer all this and I hope he can ride the storm but it's hard to believe when others before have failed with a lot more experience. Just my opinion, Like I say I wanted happy medium between experience in top-flight and a modern philosophy not dated like Mourinho/LVG.

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    This just comes across as a rant I'm sure, but I did say I had worries right from the off because the timing should have been end of season after a more calculated look where we have finished and how we have reacted to a longer bad spell.

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    In a dream world Solskjaer would work, but this job isn't a fairytale anymore.
    Last edited by zzeezzy; 02/04/2019 at 10:21 PM.

  7. Ole is spot on should of been 3-0 up after 10 mins. And shot our selves in the foot.

  8. No Shaw or Young for the next couple league matches. Ethan Laird time

  9. I think the answer almost always lies between Zz’s negativity & TOD’s positivity

  10. Quote Originally Posted by RhQQ View Post
    I think the answer almost always lies between Zz’s negativity & TOD’s positivity
    I think we just have to accept we're seasons off any kind of major success and a lot of these players are not as good as we think they are. Even Pogba, for as many good games he has invisible games. De Gea our best player but can't command a box despite his great shot-stopping. Martial, doesn't play enough good games in a season to justify his new wage. Not that they aren't all great players, but Pogba and martial have as many bad games as good ones. No consistency, no success.

    If we don't make top 4 which is likely, I definitely think this summer is the time to let the big players move on if they want and reinvest - build from the ground up. Next season is going to be transition at best sadly so not got a lot to lose.

  11. It's a coaching issue with De Gea I think. LVG's coach had DDG playing best football of his career but he's been regressing visible since the coaching change. Still great player but I don't know if you can call him best in the world with a straight face anymore.

  12. I've been defending a rebuild in the squad for at least a couple of seasons now. It's just not enough. We have two truly world class players (DDG and Pogba), some promising players ( Rashford, Lindelof, Martial and Dalot) and nothing else. One can say that the rest are good servants, there are some really nice blokes in the team, but that's it. Not top 4 material.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    I think we just have to accept we're seasons off any kind of major success and a lot of these players are not as good as we think they are. Even Pogba, for as many good games he has invisible games. De Gea our best player but can't command a box despite his great shot-stopping. Martial, doesn't play enough good games in a season to justify his new wage. Not that they aren't all great players, but Pogba and martial have as many bad games as good ones. No consistency, no success.

    If we don't make top 4 which is likely, I definitely think this summer is the time to let the big players move on if they want and reinvest - build from the ground up. Next season is going to be transition at best sadly so not got a lot to lose.
    I don’t see how you can say we are miles away despite beating Arsenal, PSG, Spurs, Chelsea. Yes I’m a positive person. But we’ve shown more than enough to show we can compete at the top end next season. Yes there’s issues but most of these are left over from the old regime. Ole got his tactics spot on last night and we played more than well enough to win that game. After investment a full pre season and the players fully adapted. I’m sure we won’t be far off.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    I don’t see how you can say we are miles away despite beating Arsenal, PSG, Spurs, Chelsea. Yes I’m a positive person. But we’ve shown more than enough to show we can compete at the top end next season. Yes there’s issues but most of these are left over from the old regime. Ole got his tactics spot on last night and we played more than well enough to win that game. After investment a full pre season and the players fully adapted. I’m sure we won’t be far off.
    Problem is if we don't get Top-4. Then, in Europa League, the calibre of players we can attract are also lessened. And can say bye-bye to Sancho. It is a tremendous achievement to even be in a Top-4 discussion after the shambles that Mourinho left us in, but it is what it is. DDG, Pogba are more likely to asking for a move away if we don't get CL, which is another big problem.

    Oh well, if a rebuild is what is needed, then it is what it is.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Tyton View Post
    It's a coaching issue with De Gea I think. LVG's coach had DDG playing best football of his career but he's been regressing visible since the coaching change. Still great player but I don't know if you can call him best in the world with a straight face anymore.
    I don't know, until the World Cup, there was no way he was not the best GK in the world. He was superhuman. Then, he had a disastrous Cup, and has been carrying remnants of it still. OR rather, he is seeming much more human than normal. Mind you, he is still superlative, but instead of flawless performances, some errors have started creeping in.

    I'm guessing if the contract is taken care of, and he has a proper pre-season, there is no reason he isn't back to being Superman.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Sherkey View Post
    Problem is if we don't get Top-4. Then, in Europa League, the calibre of players we can attract are also lessened. And can say bye-bye to Sancho. It is a tremendous achievement to even be in a Top-4 discussion after the shambles that Mourinho left us in, but it is what it is. DDG, Pogba are more likely to asking for a move away if we don't get CL, which is another big problem.

    Oh well, if a rebuild is what is needed, then it is what it is.
    Oh I agree. But we will still attract top players good enough to push us on. This is what I’m trying to say to Zz most of this mess is not Ole doing. He’s completely trying to change our style of play and our fitness levels. Which he’s admitted himself is tough with limited time to do both with so many games and the amount of players missing.

  17. Really not arsed with the Thursday-Sunday schedule again next season. Don’t tell me it’s not a difference psychologically, because it is.

  18. Ashley Young is a terrible right back, absolute garbage that some fans think he is somehow good enough because he has been a great servant to the club? Yeah I give credit to Solskjaer for changing tactically in this game, but to play Young as part of a back 3 was just weird. He ended up with a pass completion rate of like 23% in that game. So whilst you can say Solskjaer adapted, could argue that the decision to play Young at the back cost us anyway.

    Very frustrating because I personally thought Wolves were there for the taking, but once again we have supposed world-class player *cough* Lukaku who can't finish a sitter and Lingard who once again shows why he is a squad player at best. I know people will bite at me saying that about Lingard but it's true, when it comes down to it he isn't good enough to be in a elite team.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by RhQQ View Post
    Really not arsed with the Thursday-Sunday schedule again next season. Don’t tell me it’s not a difference psychologically, because it is.
    Me neither but let’s worry about that if it happens

  20. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Ashley Young is a terrible right back, absolute garbage that some fans think he is somehow good enough because he has been a great servant to the club? Yeah I give credit to Solskjaer for changing tactically in this game, but to play Young as part of a back 3 was just weird. He ended up with a pass completion rate of like 23% in that game. So whilst you can say Solskjaer adapted, could argue that the decision to play Young at the back cost us anyway.

    Very frustrating because I personally thought Wolves were there for the taking, but once again we have supposed world-class player *cough* Lukaku who can't finish a sitter and Lingard who once again shows why he is a squad player at best. I know people will bite at me saying that about Lingard but it's true, when it comes down to it he isn't good enough to be in a elite team.
    Dont think anyone will bite mate for saying Lingard is a squad player. But he does have good qualities for certain games and situations.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Dont think anyone will bite mate for saying Lingard is a squad player. But he does have good qualities for certain games and situations.
    Fair play mate, Pogba was disappointing again too. Think his pass completion was like less than 70% in that game as well. Not good enough! Despite the good start, this team plays in patches and goes in/out of games too much.

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  23. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Fair play mate, Pogba was disappointing again too. Think his pass completion was like less than 70% in that game as well. Not good enough! Despite the good start, this team plays in patches and goes in/out of games too much.
    We have defo dropped our form and been patchy since fatigue, injuries and lack of consistency in team selection has crept in. It’s why I’ve not been disheartened about Ole getting the managers job. Yeah Pogba was at about 67% :/

  24. Cheeky bid for Ryan Sessegnon now Fulham are relegated?

  25. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Fair play mate, Pogba was disappointing again too. Think his pass completion was like less than 70% in that game as well. Not good enough! Despite the good start, this team plays in patches and goes in/out of games too much.
    They looked shattered. Which is no surprise considering how more intensity we want to play with compared with what Jose did. We're going to need a bigger (and obviously better) squad next season to make sure we avoid exactly this problem

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    They looked shattered. Which is no surprise considering how more intensity we want to play with compared with what Jose did. We're going to need a bigger (and obviously better) squad next season to make sure we avoid exactly this problem
    Spurs suffer the same thing which sees them fade at the back end of seasons. The squad defo needs adding to quality and depth wise. And needs a good pre season and deals done early to get everyone at the same level or as near as before the next campaign starts.

  27. Imagine getting Saul. And getting someone who's just like Matic, but more mobile. Then right winter and fullback. That would be awesome summer.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Vanjagl View Post
    Imagine getting Saul. And getting someone who's just like Matic, but more mobile. Then right winter and fullback. That would be awesome summer.
    Lets go full muppets lol Partey, Saul, Varane, Sancho i honestly don’t know who our targets are we’ve been linked by fairly reliable people to Saul, Sancho, Varane, Koulibaly, AWB, CHO, Tielmans, Rice, Fernandes. Would be happy with any 4 of those.

  29. I like Saul. Herrera type of a player, just plain better, much better. Partey is a good idea, but I like Rodri more. Know little about Sancho, so I cant ccomment on him. I feel like United dont need another CD right now. Smalling/Lindelof are good for me. Then there's Bailly who can get ahead of Smalling if he can stay fit and maintain his composure. Jones/Tuanzebe as a backup.
    Midfield and that right side is a problem. As is elephant in the room called striker. Rashford or Lukaku and what will be when Lukaku ends up as his backup.

  30. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanjagl View Post
    I like Saul. Herrera type of a player, just plain better, much better. Partey is a good idea, but I like Rodri more. Know little about Sancho, so I cant ccomment on him. I feel like United dont need another CD right now. Smalling/Lindelof are good for me. Then there's Bailly who can get ahead of Smalling if he can stay fit and maintain his composure. Jones/Tuanzebe as a backup.
    Midfield and that right side is a problem. As is elephant in the room called striker. Rashford or Lukaku and what will be when Lukaku ends up as his backup.
    I really, really like Herrera, probably more than anyone here, but.... Saul is him, upgraded in every single way.

  31. This thread is gonna be fun in the summer when it turns out all your dream targets have been swooped in by Madrid and Bayern, both of which are planning a massive shopping spree.

  32. Something like this:

    DDG
    AWB- Lindelof-Varane-Shaw
    Partey
    Saul-Pogba
    Sancho-Rashford-Martial

    or

    DDG
    Dalot-Koulibaly-Lindelof-Shaw
    Partey
    Fernandes-Pogba
    CHO-Rashford-Martial

    Prefer the first one but would defo need CL.

  33. first one will be close to 350 mil... christ.

  34. Quote Originally Posted by wkdsoul View Post
    first one will be close to 350 mil... christ.
    Pff to Ed that’s chump change

  35. I'd love if we could get Alex Telles in the summer to provide Luke Shaw some competition. Not a lot of depth in LB with a 33 years old Ashley Young. Also, Shaw is a bit injury prone.

  36. Anyhow, I've just started a Mourinho FM save with United. My primary goal is to have tallest team in the world. Mctominay-Matic-Fellaini midfield and I'm thinking I'll buy Mandzukic to partner with Lukaku.

    Stay tuned on the weekend on how it all turned out.

  37. Quote Originally Posted by Tyton View Post
    Anyhow, I've just started a Mourinho FM save with United. My primary goal is to have tallest team in the world. Mctominay-Matic-Fellaini midfield and I'm thinking I'll buy Mandzukic to partner with Lukaku.

    Stay tuned on the weekend on how it all turned out.
    . Lacuna toure is 6’7. SMS is 6’4 quality lol.

  38. Lol, adding on to that, Erling Haland, 6'3 I reckon, and quality. And quick.

  39. Looks like Herrera is off. Clear briefing last night to the press. Check out the transfer thread. But I like what I’m reading in regards to ins and outs!

  40. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Looks like Herrera is off. Clear briefing last night to the press. Check out the transfer thread. But I like what I’m reading in regards to ins and outs!
    I had a feeling that's why we didn't see him against Wolves, despite the 'injury' line that was apparently the reason. Maybe I'm wrong but still think we should use him until the end like Ramsay with Arsenal.

  41. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    I had a feeling that's why we didn't see him against Wolves, despite the 'injury' line that was apparently the reason. Maybe I'm wrong but still think we should use him until the end like Ramsay with Arsenal.
    I think he will play. If he knows his move is done then. He should get his head down now and do his best for us. He did look not right when he got subbed against Watford. I see this Morning O’Connor has been called up to train with the first team.

    I like the targets being mentioned. And the idea of having a good British core again. Also very happy with the list of outs well except Bailly but he can’t stay fit, even worse than Jones. Looking forward to see what happens.

  42. Posts deleted?

  43. Quote Originally Posted by Bujakaa92 View Post
    Posts deleted?
    Yep. Me and Scouse wasting space. Sorry Mods!

  44. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    I had a feeling that's why we didn't see him against Wolves, despite the 'injury' line that was apparently the reason. Maybe I'm wrong but still think we should use him until the end like Ramsay with Arsenal.
    His head is probably not quite right, but I agree. And tbh I expect we will. Still a quality player.

  45. MEN and SW saying Mata farther has been in discussion with Barcelona recently. Defo would be a good clear out if we could get rid of Sanchez, Mata, Herrera, Rojo, Bailly, Darmian, Valencia, Wilson, CBJ. Get in some of the players that have been briefed then supplement the rest of the squad with the likes of Gomes, Chong, Garner, Greenwood, Laird. And bring back Tuanzebe and TFM. It’s sounds a lot but we can all admit it’s needed, would save thousands on wages. And most of these don’t feature and when they do are shite anyway.

    Like Ducker and Ogden have said. With cleared wages and income fees from transfers. Plus last seasons low spend and Fellaini money we could easily spend 300m will see I guess.
    Last edited by Theatre of Dreams83; 04/04/2019 at 12:40 PM.

  46. Bailly...? why

    And others go for free or peanatus. Who ever takes Sanchez from you is brain dead or you will be paying big pulk of those wages for them.

    Just checked and United have sold players over 50mil only 2 times, first with Ronaldo and then Di Maria.
    Edit. Missed Beckham also, so 3
    Last edited by Bujakaa92; 04/04/2019 at 02:00 PM.

  47. Quote Originally Posted by Bujakaa92 View Post
    Bailly...? why

    And others go for free or peanatus. Who ever takes Sanchez from you is brain dead or you will be paying big pulk of those wages for them.

    Just checked and United have sold players over 50mil only 2 times, first with Ronaldo and then Di Maria.
    Edit. Missed Beckham also, so 3
    Bailly has turned out to be as bigger crock as Jones on the injury table. Apparently ones of his knees has not been the same since he got injured tackling Hazard under Mourinho last season. Oh for sure we will have to pay most of Sanchez wages. But least he will be gone and some of his wages off the books.

  48. What people’s thoughts on Rice?

  49. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    What people’s thoughts on Rice?
    Great with a curry

  50. Quote Originally Posted by Average Joe View Post
    Great with a curry
    LMFAO

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