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  1. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Ashley Young also has a good mindset, but he's still pants when it really matters! Slight exaggeration but Lukaku is one of the most frustrating strikers I've seen at United for some time. He has the physique to be a great all round striker but in reality is a poacher with brute strength he doesn't use well enough.

    The most frustrating thing with Lukaku is his inconsistency, one week he scores a worldie and the next week he's missing a tap in which costs us points ultimately. I just don't see where we go with him long-term anyway, his big game goalscoring record is terrible and it can't really be denied anymore.

    1 goal against the top 6 in 17 PL matches...... =/

    If he takes his easy chances against Arsenal and Wolves we're all smiling now probably rather than likely to miss out on top 4.
    Lukaku is actually more accurate than given credit for. Secondly, most of the issues have come from extremely slow poor service along with him being desperately out-of form and fitness

    So now you need to point to a striker who does what he does better, on and off the pitch, at the same ages, that's available. Let along making sure we get a decent fee back to invest in said striker

    In fact he's got a shots to goals ratio of 27% which is actually very high

    Last time I checked, for forwards with more than 5 goals he was the most accurate in the league, with Martial second.
    Last edited by Mike.; 05/04/2019 at 12:09 PM.

  2. Quote Originally Posted by Sherkey View Post
    No way. You are underestimating the size of the rebuild if you think we can add another striker to the list. RB,CB, maybe 2 CMs. And an RW, if we can wrangle it. No way should we be letting Lukaku leave, fuck what the agent says. Take a hard stance, and tell him he is going nowhere this season. I doubt he will throw a hissy fit, but if things come to that, we can consider that then.

    And realistically, who are the alternate options anyhow? In that price range, and those who are good? Maybe Werner or Jovic. Although, every top club will be sniffing around them (Werner's contract situation and Jovic's prospect potential. Maybe Dybala or Icardi. But Icardi seems toxic, and Dybala is a very different player (one I'd love, mind, but still//)
    Unfortunatly sounds like Werner is off to Bayern and Jovic has been in talks with Barca and Madrid already.

    I agree under no circumstances can we lose Lukaku! He offers something different and is a top finisher when given good service. I was sceptical about how much we would do this Summer money wise before Ole. Took over but it looks like he’s been given reassurances and gonna be backed to the hill, to get his rebuild done on the ins and outs fronts. We simply have to much to do before thinking about Lukaku.
    Last edited by Theatre of Dreams83; 05/04/2019 at 12:44 PM.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    Lukaku is actually more accurate than given credit for. Secondly, most of the issues have come from extremely slow poor service along with him being desperately out-of form and fitness

    So now you need to point to a striker who does what he does better, on and off the pitch, at the same ages, that's available. Let along making sure we get a decent fee back to invest in said striker

    In fact he's got a shots to goals ratio of 27% which is actually very high

    Last time I checked, for forwards with more than 5 goals he was the most accurate in the league, with Martial second.
    I think Martial just edges him now but like you said that still crazy good %.

  4. Slightly off topic but Barcelona everyone writing us off again all well and good I don't mind that. They are a great team but they are leaking goals.... problem is so are we. But in their last game it was like 4-4 against Villarreal or Valencia can't remember.

    So yeah I'm nervous about their attack against our defence but I don't think their defence is anything to write home about either.

  5. I'm expecting us to renew DDG, despite his wages. IT will happen, adding a GK on top of everything else will be too much. And expect us to go for a top CM, prospect CB, maybe a RB and a RW. All this, and it is a brilliant summer. We also need another CM to offset Herrera's departure, and depth to cover Mata, should he leave (which is also looking likely).

    I don't know, but at the price he is available, Depay is sounding like an increasingly attractive option, with his ability to play across the front four positions. And since we have a buyback clause on him. This is if Mata doesn't renew.

    Also, is Saul realistic? I can see Atleti holding out for his release clause, which is rumoured to be about 125 Mn. And he signed a 7 year contract last year. I know the rumours have sprung up quite a bit, but Atleti have no desire to sell, and even if any club were to acquire him, it would be a huge dent in the budget - hardly what I'd expect us to go after, especially needing depth and first teamers in different positions. Partey sounds like a more reasonable acquisition.

  6. We have a big summer ahead, I think next season is transition at best so don't mind if we try and get as many out the door as possible then give a season for new players to bed in. Then next summer can do the final tweaks in order to give the following season a proper go.

    I really don't want us to bow into De Gea wages if they are anything near what Ducker is reporting, it will cause us problems like Sanchez excessive wages are going into the future. We need a wage structure and to stick with it, no player deserves £450k+ per week wages.

    If we have to get rid of De Gea so be it, we'll have next season to have a new GK that can hopefully adapt. I don't want Romero as no.1.

  7. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    They will come to an agreement over De Gea tbh

  8. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    We have a big summer ahead, I think next season is transition at best so don't mind if we try and get as many out the door as possible then give a season for new players to bed in. Then next summer can do the final tweaks in order to give the following season a proper go.

    I really don't want us to bow into De Gea wages if they are anything near what Ducker is reporting, it will cause us problems like Sanchez excessive wages are going into the future. We need a wage structure and to stick with it, no player deserves £450k+ per week wages.

    If we have to get rid of De Gea so be it, we'll have next season to have a new GK that can hopefully adapt. I don't want Romero as no.1.
    It's not FM, zz. Can't get too many people out of the door, we will have a very unstable dressing room, with no leaders and no United culture. That will cause more damage than a year of no CL. Tbh, half the problem since the Ferguson era has been that - No Giggs, ferdinand, Evra, Vidic, Scholes, Neville - they led controlled the dressing room (Rooney himself admits so - come to think of it, no Rooney too). There are benefits to keeping players beyond just their ability on the pitch, too (Mata, for instance)

    I expect Lee Grant, Rojo, Darmian to be shown the door. Herrera and Mata may want to leave, so they're gone too (hoped not). Sanchez, maybe, but I'm not optimistic we will find someone to take his wages off us. That's already quite a lot of outgoings. We shouldn't be looking to add on to it.

  9. To throw Henderson in with no settled defence would be brutal. De Gea had Ferdinand and Vidic. Hendo wouldnt have anyone.
    Would be amazing if De Gea and United come to agreement.
    Lukaku is good player to have. Thing is, Rashford seems to get better and better and soon he'll be clear #1. Would keep Lukaku, but wouldnt be too sad if he left in next two seasons.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Sherkey View Post
    I'm expecting us to renew DDG, despite his wages. IT will happen, adding a GK on top of everything else will be too much. And expect us to go for a top CM, prospect CB, maybe a RB and a RW. All this, and it is a brilliant summer. We also need another CM to offset Herrera's departure, and depth to cover Mata, should he leave (which is also looking likely).

    I don't know, but at the price he is available, Depay is sounding like an increasingly attractive option, with his ability to play across the front four positions. And since we have a buyback clause on him. This is if Mata doesn't renew.

    Also, is Saul realistic? I can see Atleti holding out for his release clause, which is rumoured to be about 125 Mn. And he signed a 7 year contract last year. I know the rumours have sprung up quite a bit, but Atleti have no desire to sell, and even if any club were to acquire him, it would be a huge dent in the budget - hardly what I'd expect us to go after, especially needing depth and first teamers in different positions. Partey sounds like a more reasonable acquisition.
    I think that’s why we are chasing Joao Felix as a direct replacement for Mata. Can play anywhere behind the STR and will be a far better player than Memphis.

    Yeah I’m also confident De Gea will stay.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Sherkey View Post
    It's not FM, zz. Can't get too many people out of the door, we will have a very unstable dressing room, with no leaders and no United culture. That will cause more damage than a year of no CL. Tbh, half the problem since the Ferguson era has been that - No Giggs, ferdinand, Evra, Vidic, Scholes, Neville - they led controlled the dressing room (Rooney himself admits so - come to think of it, no Rooney too). There are benefits to keeping players beyond just their ability on the pitch, too (Mata, for instance)

    I expect Lee Grant, Rojo, Darmian to be shown the door. Herrera and Mata may want to leave, so they're gone too (hoped not). Sanchez, maybe, but I'm not optimistic we will find someone to take his wages off us. That's already quite a lot of outgoings. We shouldn't be looking to add on to it.
    Plus Valencia has already been told he can go. Grant, Rojo, Darmian, Valencia, Herrera, Sanchez I definitely expect to leave. Still not sure on Mars but it’s looking likely also. Not to mention the rest of the u23s than are gonna be shown the door. It’s a lot but needed.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Sherkey View Post
    Also, is Saul realistic? I can see Atleti holding out for his release clause, which is rumoured to be about 125 Mn. And he signed a 7 year contract last year. I know the rumours have sprung up quite a bit, but Atleti have no desire to sell, and even if any club were to acquire him, it would be a huge dent in the budget - hardly what I'd expect us to go after, especially needing depth and first teamers in different positions. Partey sounds like a more reasonable acquisition.
    Could be, they are 100m in debt with some ageing players to replace. 3 leaving on a free in June inc Godin. They'll prob cash in on one or two names

  13. U23s vs WBA tonight will be a good watch to see Greenwood, Chong, Gomes, Laird, Garner, Levitt at OT

    At Old Trafford
    Kick off at 7pm
    Live on MUTV

  14. Quote Originally Posted by wkdsoul View Post
    Could be, they are 100m in debt with some ageing players to replace. 3 leaving on a free in June inc Godin. They'll prob cash in on one or two names
    Can defo see Saul and Griezmann leaving this Summer.

  15. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wkdsoul View Post
    Could be, they are 100m in debt with some ageing players to replace. 3 leaving on a free in June inc Godin. They'll prob cash in on one or two names
    This has all started because Saul himself feels like he might need a move. So they will definitely ask for the release or close to. And he'll want around 200k. Hence the impasse with herrera

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    This has all started because Saul himself feels like he might need a move. So they will definitely ask for the release or close to. And he'll want around 200k. Hence the impasse with herrera
    Would be a huge upgrade to get both Saul and Fernandes in after losing Herrera even though I would like to keep him. But Saul will be tough.

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  18. Tbf, I would be happy with Fernandes and Partey (if we don't get Saul, as he would be a more mobile Matic). Both seem doable. Unless of course, Rice is part of the equation somewhere.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Sherkey View Post
    Tbf, I would be happy with Fernandes and Partey (if we don't get Saul, as he would be a more mobile Matic). Both seem doable. Unless of course, Rice is part of the equation somewhere.
    Be surprised if Atletico lost Saul, Partey and Rodri who looks certain to be going to City. But they have ruled themselves out of Saul and Rice.


  20. ?

    #MUAcademy Under-23s: #MUFC v West Brom: Kovar; O'Connor, Ercolani, Bernard, Marcos Rojo; Garner, Andreas, Gomes (c); Chong, Greenwood, Burkart.

    Subs: Woolston, Tanner, Levitt, Baars, Bohui.




    Rojo and Periera playing wtf! Exciting attacking team but under Sbragia I’m not expecting much. Hope I’m wrong!

  21. Rojo playing LB getting game time in to replace Shaw.

    Ole and Ed sat together.

    10 mins gone Utd well on top. Gone close 3 times with Greenwood, Gomes, Chong.

    15 mins gone and Greenwood with a great bit of skill beats 2 players and draws a class save from the keeper. Basically attack v defence atm.

    Wow sexy football! Garner hits a half volley switch ball 50 yards to Greenwood. Who beats a man then slots a lovely pass to Burkart who cruyff turns it into the back of the net. Great goal!

    Mckenna And Murtaugh who is now fave for the DOF role just rocked up and sat with Ed and Ole.

    Burkart nearly makes it 2 after being put through by Garner. Another great save. Burkarts runs are fantastic!

    1-0 HT. Utd dominated but the last 10 mins got far to sloppy and let WBA back in it. Greenwood should of made it 2-0 in the last min of the half. Missed a great chance with a header after a good Rojo cross.

    Rojo and Periera off and Tanner and Levitt on.

    Greenwood misses a great chance again to make it 2-0 after some lovely one touch passing.

    WOW Greenwood needs to change his boots. Shanks another great chance wide after beating his man. Then WBA with there first attack score from a peno after a stupid challenge from DiShon Bernard. 1-1 after 61 mins. Wasted far to many chances!

    WTF how’s that not a peno. Blatant shove in the back on Chong!

    Ole, Carrick, McKenna loom asleep watching this. Since 35 mins we have been really poor on the Ball Sbragia hasn’t changed a thing since WBA have changed tactics and been in top.
    Last edited by Theatre of Dreams83; 05/04/2019 at 08:39 PM.

  22. 1-1 Another shower of shit from the u23s under Sbragia. Good 35 mins then just dross as Sbragia didn’t adjust to WBA changes. Half the crowd went home during the midway of the second half. Ole, McKenna etc looked bored to death and half asleep. 1 win in 8 now under Sbragia what the actual feck! I can totally see why Ole won’t let Garner, Greenwood, Gomes, Laird trains with them oh and Chong who was dogshit tonight.

  23. Burkart goal for the u23s last night https://twitter.com/fabioprod/status...316858880?s=21

  24. We should go for Lozano this summer if we can't get Sancho which looks likely as Dortmund will keep for another year. We can't go into next season without a RW or else we're screwed.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    We should go for Lozano this summer if we can't get Sancho which looks likely as Dortmund will keep for another year. We can't go into next season without a RW or else we're screwed.
    Would be happy with him or Joao Felix. Wouldn’t rule out Sancho or CHO yet.

  26. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JldfNMijbus

    Fantastic interview with Rene, absolutely top bloke and would actually like him back with this setup now under Ole!

  27. No chance we get CHO if Chelsea’s transfer ban holds. Hazard to Madrid is a 50/50

    Besides, I thought most weren’t keen on CHO on here/would prefer Chong?

  28. Quote Originally Posted by RhQQ View Post
    No chance we get CHO if Chelsea’s transfer ban holds. Hazard to Madrid is a 50/50

    Besides, I thought most weren’t keen on CHO on here/would prefer Chong?
    Thats the sticking point Chelsea ban. But will Ambramovich let both go for free. If it was me I would happily stick with Chong and bring in a more experienced RW which CHO isn’t really he prefers the left. Lozano would be a fantastic signing imo with Chong as back up.

  29. At Aon training complex
    Kick off at 12:30pm
    Live on MUTV


  30. Why do people keep comparing CHO to Chong, they are miles apart from what I've seen in their development. What we need is options, with someone like CHO they are accomplished both on left or right side. Same with Lozano.

    Right now if Martial gets injured who's our alternative? This squad needs an overhaul with some better players brought in. CHO would definitely bring something we don't have. Prefer him over bloody Depay that's for sure!

  31. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Why do people keep comparing CHO to Chong, they are miles apart from what I've seen in their development. What we need is options, with someone like CHO they are accomplished both on left or right side. Same with Lozano.

    Right now if Martial gets injured who's our alternative? This squad needs an overhaul with some better players brought in. CHO would definitely bring something we don't have. Prefer him over bloody Depay that's for sure!
    We will bring in an attacking player. But we won’t be short of options going into next season. I would prefer emote experience than CHO. Lozano or Sancho for me. Don’t see the point of signing one talent when we have 2 super attacking talents coming through and will need mins next season.

    For me next season attacking players wise would be Rashford, Martial, Lukaku, Lingard, Lozano, Chong, Greenwood.

    If Martial got injured now that’s easy put Rashford on the left and Lukaku upfront.

  32. 0-1 to Sunderland after 10 mins. Poor clearence from a corner then Elanga gets beaten far to easy and the attacker blasts it past Carney in goal.

    Utd go close to equalising mins later. Great jinking run by Ramanzani who dink’s a lovely ball to Puigmal. Unfortunately his first time volley is straight at the keeper.
    Last edited by Theatre of Dreams83; 06/04/2019 at 12:46 PM.

  33. if we dont get cl no 1 will want to come the end is nigh reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee sorry went all zz there for a mo lol

  34. Quote Originally Posted by kitchin75 View Post
    if we dont get cl no 1 will want to come the end is nigh reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee sorry went all zz there for a mo lol
    Nah, you went all Scouse, because he's the only one who thinks that here, who's openly said it anyway.

  35. Lingard, Rashford, Young just rocked up from training to cheer on the u18s


    Great one to play between Ramanzani and Elanga who draws 2 top saves from the keeper. Sunderland since scoring have just sat 2 banks of 5 and it’s been real hard to create any CCC.

    Ramanzani misses a free header from 6 yrds out from a corner. But after the GK he works hard to win it back. Gives it to Puigmal who slots a lovely pass to Williams who’s drived cross gets slotted home by McGhee 1-1 after 42.

    Get in. 2-1 Utd great work by Traore in CM bursts through and shrugs of a challenge. Passes it to Elanga on the left who drives in on goal and produces a fingertip save. But the keeper can only tip it to Ramanzani coming in from the other flank for a tap in.

    Lol Rashford, Lingard celebrating like screaming girls )))))
    Last edited by Theatre of Dreams83; 06/04/2019 at 01:18 PM.

  36. Modern Day Legend
    Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Nah, you went all Scouse, because he's the only one who thinks that here, who's openly said it anyway.
    Lived it. And Utd are going the exact same way with the same mistakes as you keep arguing.

    The further away you get from even challenging, the less attractive the ‘name’ becomes. Throw in what you’ve done with the manager (FWIW, Pochettino with a big budget behind him would have been concerning for us. Solksjaer, not so much) and CL becomes imperative to the fantasy names being banded around.

  37. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Nah, you went all Scouse, because he's the only one who thinks that here, who's openly said it anyway.
    And it's not even proved accurate either tbh, as wkdsoul nailed home

    As it stands there's no point worrying about transfers. We just need to crack on. We'll sign a wide attacker, especially if we bin Sanchez. And a centre mid and centre back, and full back. Been 3-5 players depending on outs

  38. 3-1 Utd. Great run by Elanga who beats his FB with ease gets brought down from behind. McGhee slots home the peno. 62 mins gone.

    Elanga tairing them to ribbons now. Reminds me so much Kanchelsky absolutely electric with power pace and directness.

    Sunderland just fouling like mad here now.

    Tuanzebe and TFM watching the second half.

    3-2 Sunderland pull one back after Devine gives the ball away getting caught up the pitch. Sunderland players has all the time on the wing to get into the box and squares it for a easy fisnish.

    Fuck off wtf. 6 mins of injury time and Sunderland equalise in th 99th min. What a piss take of officiating!!!
    Last edited by Theatre of Dreams83; 06/04/2019 at 02:29 PM.

  39. Didn’t even see him. Herrera

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    Ander watching the 18s



  40. #mufc source: “It doesn’t matter which clubs are interested in our players, this is Manchester United. There is only one message: Paul Pogba and David De Gea are not for sale. They will both still be United players next season. They are big parts of our plans.” #mulive [Telegraph]

  41. That's all well and good but the guy has 1 year left on contract and we're willing to risk the world's most valuable keeper leaving for nothing potentially?
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  42. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    That's all well and good but the guy has 1 year left on contract and we're willing to risk the world's most valuable keeper leaving for nothing potentially?
    It sends a message. Trophies are more important to this club than money. United is willing to give up 100m for better chances of winning next season.

  43. Quote Originally Posted by Vanjagl View Post
    It sends a message. Trophies are more important to this club than money. United is willing to give up 100m for better chances of winning next season.
    Still incompetent though if we end up losing him for nothing, a team needs a rebuild so why not just sell him and be done with it if he doesn't want to stay. We should let him leave, hw has been a good servant and it would at least be amicable on both sides. That's IF he wants to leave. Considering his two other amigos are faving the exit it probably does feel time for him in his head.
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  44. Modern Day Legend
    Quote Originally Posted by Vanjagl View Post
    It sends a message. Trophies are more important to this club than money. United is willing to give up 100m for better chances of winning next season.
    There speaketh a fan defiantly talking with his heart rather than his head.

  45. Meh I will wait till the end of the season before worrying about these things. And for the club to release something on it. Bring on Barca that’s all I’m interested about!

  46. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    It's a lot of ifs buts and maybes. Let's actually see what unfolds

    The issue isn't that he wants to leave, the issue is his contract demands
    Last edited by Mike.; 07/04/2019 at 12:01 PM.

  47. Van der Sar: "I am happy at Ajax, but Manchester United is a special club, in the future, Let’s see."

    Times (premium): https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...ed-is-a-special-place-one-day-maybe-sgzms7fsh

  48. I think VdS would be a great choice for DoF, seems a perfect match in many ways.

    Be interesting to see how we lineup on Wednesday, especially if Herrera plays.

  49. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Still incompetent though if we end up losing him for nothing, a team needs a rebuild so why not just sell him and be done with it if he doesn't want to stay. We should let him leave, hw has been a good servant and it would at least be amicable on both sides. That's IF he wants to leave. Considering his two other amigos are faving the exit it probably does feel time for him in his head.
    Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinthehouse View Post
    There speaketh a fan defiantly talking with his heart rather than his head.
    Like I said few days ago, sell him if he wants it and United can find suitable replacement. If not, then I would gladly accept the risk of losing 100m because he's that good his one year can benefit United way more than that over a longer period.
    I have no idea whats going on behind the scenes, so what happens, happens. I still feel romantic about this game. About this club. I feel sad for you and your club if you think of it as a business.
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