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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Tbh baring 2 off the top of my head 1 which we won’t have a chance at getting I honestly can’t think of any top class CBS that will improve us. Koulibaly being the only realistic option but Napoli will absolutely rinse us dry. Other than him your looking at younger unproven defenders again, which won’t necessarily improve us and will take time to settle.
    Thats true. Top class CD will improve United. But United have more pressing issues. Smalling and Lindelof are creating some kind of partnership and its working ( in most cases). Some creativity in the squad is the most important thing right now, especially on that right wing.

  2. Jonathan Northcroft has done an interview with Scott McTominay on his own progress, José and Ole among other subjects. It is a great read!

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...-to-jose-for-seeing-something-in-me-326gnm9cc

    McTominay: “When you’re 22, people still think of you as a kid. But I want to be treated as a regular in United’s first team. I don’t want to be treated like a young player who’s playing a bit part. I want to be judged harder than that. I want the responsibility.” #mufc [Times]


    McTominay: “You have to be patient. I feel some boys nowadays are ‘I should play instantly and if not I’m leaving.’ That’s all very well, but if Man United is in your blood, like it is mine, you’re not ready to give up an opportunity like this easily. You fight.” #mufc [Times]
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Vanjagl View Post
    Thats true. Top class CD will improve United. But United have more pressing issues. Smalling and Lindelof are creating some kind of partnership and its working ( in most cases). Some creativity in the squad is the most important thing right now, especially on that right wing.
    Oh come on Van, CB is a massive issue as much now than it ever has been at United and there is no way that we should be going into another season with what we currently have plus Tuanzebe.

    Everyone was crying out for a CB in the summer and now suddenly you think these same players are good enough??? Wtf, baffled. Smalling has been in and out the team like every season, Jones is Jones and Lindelof has been shaky as well at times.

    If we lose one player we're already relying on players that shouldn't really be here! I know I'm banging my head against a wall here because somehow fans think this defence is good enough. This season has been awful, our defending although improved lately has still leaked goals virtually every game we have played.

    There is no way on earth we should be passing up a CB this summer, Tuanzebe should replace Jones totally and if we're too tight to get someone then just go for Alderweireld.

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    Mike, we can dress this up any way we like, Phelan doesn't have any experience to my knowledge with that role and he probably doesn't have much of a network either. Compare that to someone like Mitchell who has worked at various clubs in that position.

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    I really don't get this forum sometimes, which is fine because I guess it doesn't get me either. But where do you honestly see this club going if we don't improve this defence.... a fullback isn't enough. We need a Centre Back. It's as much of a priority as anywhere.

  4. CB is a must. An absolute must. Need a VVD-type of proven figure. He has turned them from nearly men to serious challengers; we need that similar type of leadership impact. Smalling has it, he’s just painfully average. Good at the basics, building in first phase etc. non existent. Kouli, Alderweireld, feck even Maguire would inject quality
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Oh come on Van, CB is a massive issue as much now than it ever has been at United and there is no way that we should be going into another season with what we currently have plus Tuanzebe.

    Everyone was crying out for a CB in the summer and now suddenly you think these same players are good enough??? Wtf, baffled. Smalling has been in and out the team like every season, Jones is Jones and Lindelof has been shaky as well at times.

    If we lose one player we're already relying on players that shouldn't really be here! I know I'm banging my head against a wall here because somehow fans think this defence is good enough. This season has been awful, our defending although improved lately has still leaked goals virtually every game we have played.

    There is no way on earth we should be passing up a CB this summer, Tuanzebe should replace Jones totally and if we're too tight to get someone then just go for Alderweireld.

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    Mike, we can dress this up any way we like, Phelan doesn't have any experience to my knowledge with that role and he probably doesn't have much of a network either. Compare that to someone like Mitchell who has worked at various clubs in that position.

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    I really don't get this forum sometimes, which is fine because I guess it doesn't get me either. But where do you honestly see this club going if we don't improve this defence.... a fullback isn't enough. We need a Centre Back. It's as much of a priority as anywhere.
    Phelan has been DOF/SD in Australia for a year. Which is way more experience than 99% of people who get the same roles and they had way way less of a network/experience as they went straight from players or in some cases ex bankers!

  6. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Oh come on Van, CB is a massive issue as much now than it ever has been at United and there is no way that we should be going into another season with what we currently have plus Tuanzebe.

    Everyone was crying out for a CB in the summer and now suddenly you think these same players are good enough??? Wtf, baffled. Smalling has been in and out the team like every season, Jones is Jones and Lindelof has been shaky as well at times.

    If we lose one player we're already relying on players that shouldn't really be here! I know I'm banging my head against a wall here because somehow fans think this defence is good enough. This season has been awful, our defending although improved lately has still leaked goals virtually every game we have played.

    There is no way on earth we should be passing up a CB this summer, Tuanzebe should replace Jones totally and if we're too tight to get someone then just go for Alderweireld.

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    Mike, we can dress this up any way we like, Phelan doesn't have any experience to my knowledge with that role and he probably doesn't have much of a network either. Compare that to someone like Mitchell who has worked at various clubs in that position.

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    I really don't get this forum sometimes, which is fine because I guess it doesn't get me either. But where do you honestly see this club going if we don't improve this defence.... a fullback isn't enough. We need a Centre Back. It's as much of a priority as anywhere.
    What was Phelan doing before he came back to United?

    OH WAIT HE WAS A SPORTING DIRECTOR

    We also have a large network of scouts. It's just not being utilised. That's where Phelan knowing what United's identity is and what we need from senior to academy comes in. That's what a sporting director does
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by RhQQ View Post
    CB is a must. An absolute must. Need a VVD-type of proven figure. He has turned them from nearly men to serious challengers; we need that similar type of leadership impact. Smalling has it, he’s just painfully average. Good at the basics, building in first phase etc. non existent. Kouli, Alderweireld, feck even Maguire would inject quality
    Koulibaly is the only one of those I would be interested in as it seem Toby is off to Juve if reports are true. And Maguire is no better than Lindelof, Smalling or a top form Bailly. The quality of CB bar 1 is simply not out there. Your relying on up and coming talent to improve us. No one is saying we don’t need a WC cb just there isn’t any.

  8. 12:29KEY EVENT
    United line up
    United XI: De Gea, Lindelof, Smalling, Jones, Dalot; Matic, Fred, Pogba; Rashford, Lukaku, Martial.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    What was Phelan doing before he came back to United?

    OH WAIT HE WAS A SPORTING DIRECTOR

    We also have a large network of scouts. It's just not being utilised. That's where Phelan knowing what United's identity is and what we need from senior to academy comes in. That's what a sporting director does
    I guess that's somewhat useful in terms of experience but Mitchell still has the edge for me because he clearly can operate at any club in Europe and bring success. Ok that's a bit of a generalisation but you get the point, he would have more useful contacts and he supports United apparently as well so he'll know the club anyway. Maybe not on the inside like Phelan but that's not a deal-breaker.

    The general consensus of United fans seem to want Phelan staying as coach and Mitchell as Sporting Director/DoF or whatever the role is labelled.

    I want someone who can bring us the hidden gems so we can make them the polished product, how United should be doing. I'd fancy that more with Mitchell in that role personally.

  10. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    We can't get both Sancho and Koulibaly, and get a cm, and a right back. And also replace all the player zz decides he doesn't like. That's fantasy money. Even we don't have that.

    Best bet is to see if we can get Toby A, partner him with Lindelof. Think he'd still be that 25m release fee. Then get Sancho at around 90m. Then you're probably look at the best part of 70m for a centre mid and full back, more if you're looking at anything close to elite level. Anything else is going to take another window unless you're selling to buy at this point.

  11. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    I guess that's somewhat useful in terms of experience but Mitchell still has the edge for me because he clearly can operate at any club in Europe and bring success. Ok that's a bit of a generalisation but you get the point, he would have more useful contacts and he supports United apparently as well so he'll know the club anyway. Maybe not on the inside like Phelan but that's not a deal-breaker.

    The general consensus of United fans seem to want Phelan staying as coach and Mitchell as Sporting Director/DoF or whatever the role is labelled.
    I mean it's extremely useful. Not somewhat. Mitchell is brilliant but supporting United (apparently) isn't the same as knowing it the way Phelan does.

    There's definitely no general consensus on United fans km anything, there's too many for a start for anyone to make that generalisation. Either way, Phelan is more than capable of doing the job if they don't get Mitchell. You can't keeping pinning everything on one target. That goes for transfers too

  12. Looking at Mitchell record he’s not exactly got a Stella record at finding hidden gems.

  13. We haven't kept a clean sheet for 10 games apparently chaps! Not sure if that's league form only or what. Can't remember our last clean sheet though tbf, think it was Liverpool at home thinking about it.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    We haven't kept a clean sheet for 10 games apparently chaps! Not sure if that's league form only or what. Can't remember our last clean sheet though tbf, think it was Liverpool at home thinking about it.
    It was mentioned by a journo in his presser. We have conceded less than 1gl per game and averaging about 2gls a game since he’s taken over in the league only losing 2.

  15. Zz, I understand United need a better CD. Point is - United have more pressing issues and not enough money/time to deal with it in one Summer.

  16. What even is this lineup/formation... you've got your best CB as a RB and Jones as a CB. It's like compounding your own misery, Everton just targeting the flanks and we can't cope with it. Matic in midfield like a lorry trying to reverse.

    Bah, I could go on for hours. Could be 2 down at least already. How many corners have Everton had already? Where's the passion lads, even if you're not good enough.

  17. Matic has been absolutely dogshit! Where was the closing down or challenge on Sigurdson. But what was Martial doing when the break first started ffs!

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Matic has been absolutely dogshit! Where was the closing down or challenge on Sigurdson. But what was Martial doing when the break first started ffs!
    Why did we even pick Matic, he's shit, everything about United is shit right now. I don't trust any of it going forward, I knew Solskjaer would fail as soon as that contract happened.

    Not happy with any of this, everything about today was wrong, trying to play this counter attack shit once again and being dominated. Just sick of it honestly.

    I feel for us as fans to be honest, we're the ones who have had to put up with 7 years of shit and still no clear direction.

  19. This team just looks shot physically. No energy no fight no nothing atm. The end of the season can’t come soon enough for Ole. So he can start getting this squad sorted.

  20. Top 4 well and truly gone now. Load of shit. Gonna get bummed off City and Chelsea

  21. I wish someone would take Rashford off free kick duty! Just shoot from anywhere on site....

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    I wish someone would take Rashford off free kick duty! Just shoot from anywhere on site....
    Tell me about it mate, same old shit for months with our set pieces and not changed anything. What is actually happening in training?

    The subs are just as bad, Young is Young but then he takes Fred off for McTominay. It should have been Matic going off not Fred, he cost us our 2nd goal. Matic didn't close down their 2nd goal ffs. Backwards club. :/

  23. I'm going to make a controversial suggestion here but maybe De Gea needs to be dropped for a game or two. He has not been his usual self this season whether that is caused by tornament fatigue or other outside influences is by the by. Dropping him may just send the message out to certain others (it could of course backfire but it's a risk that sometimes is needed) to get their shit together.
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  24. Did Sanchez have a mustache?

  25. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Why did we even pick Matic, he's shit, everything about United is shit right now. I don't trust any of it going forward, I knew Solskjaer would fail as soon as that contract happened.

    Not happy with any of this, everything about today was wrong, trying to play this counter attack shit once again and being dominated. Just sick of it honestly.

    I feel for us as fans to be honest, we're the ones who have had to put up with 7 years of shit and still no clear direction.
    You didn't know any of this. Please just stop

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Bujakaa92 View Post
    Did Sanchez have a mustache?
    Nah it's probably just a lost caterpillar.
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  27. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    We know the side is physically shot. This is the man problem. Not sure how you think not offering s contract would change any of that. So please, stop with the bullshit

  28. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Why did we even pick Matic, he's shit, everything about United is shit right now. I don't trust any of it going forward, I knew Solskjaer would fail as soon as that contract happened.

    Not happy with any of this, everything about today was wrong, trying to play this counter attack shit once again and being dominated. Just sick of it honestly.

    I feel for us as fans to be honest, we're the ones who have had to put up with 7 years of shit and still no clear direction.
    "I knew Solskjaer would fail as soon as that contract happened"

    I think you want to save this for next season. He hasn't had a transfer window to work with yet.

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  29. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legend Incredimaria View Post
    "I knew Solskjaer would fail as soon as that contract happened"

    I think you want to save this for next season. He hasn't had a transfer window to work with yet.

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    Exactly. It's bollocks.

  30. Lukaku has put his thumbs up more times this game than actually controlling the ball.

    Quote Originally Posted by Legend Incredimaria View Post
    "I knew Solskjaer would fail as soon as that contract happened"

    I think you want to save this for next season. He hasn't had a transfer window to work with yet.

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    You know my thoughts about the managerial decision and despite Mike saying it's bollocks when it's clearly going tits up is just inevitable.

    It took all the pressure off the players and 3-0 Everton. Lol.

  31. The side is physically shot - we haven't even been doing a full press. It was a half press for a couple of months and the side was shot. Makes you question what the hell Mourinho was upto. Was there no stamina/pressing built into the side that a couple of months of half press knocks everyone out for so long?

    Either that or the players have given up. I sure hope it's not the latter, because if so, these guys definitely do not have the mentality in them to play for United, atleast not in keeping with how things have happened here. I can understand what Gary Neville has been saying, to an extent also. Even if you are shot, there seems to be very little determination in the squad to actually give a shit.

  32. If it wasn’t for DDG it would of been 5-0 already.

  33. Pathetic. Whole team.

  34. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    If it wasn’t for DDG it would of been 5-0 already.
    Tbf he looks like a man that wants to go. We should let him, he's fed up of this shit as much as all of us are.

  35. I think I see a pattern here. We've conceded quite a number of goals from outside the box lately which probably tells me that this side don't commit to the press. IDK why we don't do something as elementary as press an opponent when you see them in dangerous areas around the box. Could it be tactical? IDK either

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  36. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Lukaku has put his thumbs up more times this game than actually controlling the ball.



    You know my thoughts about the managerial decision and despite Mike saying it's bollocks when it's clearly going tits up is just inevitable.

    It took all the pressure off the players and 3-0 Everton. Lol.
    They were shot before that you bellend. Do you even watch the side when you're moaning on here?

  37. Poor young Dalot has had a mare today. Tell you one thing Ole won’t stand for this and will be ruthless in the Summer. Players have been warned the last 2 pressers.

  38. And this is why we need a CB

  39. Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    They were shot before that you bellend. Do you even watch the side when you're moaning on here?
    Why do you keep having to resort to insults? Can't you see how shit we are, whether you think the players are shot or not..... the tactics are equally shit today. The decisions have been shit in player selection today.

    Yeah you think this is a meltdown too I bet. 4-0 down to Everton and still people think Solskjaer is somehow immune from today.

    When your whole teams got problems then there is issues everywhere, coaching and everything. We'e done the same old crap for weeks now, getting outplayed by everyone and nothing has changed.

    Quote Originally Posted by RhQQ View Post
    And this is why we need a CB
    No we don't said some here! We need s new everything tbf.

  40. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Poor young Dalot has had a mare today. Tell you one thing Ole won’t stand for this and will be ruthless in the Summer. Players have been warned the last 2 pressers.
    I don't know about being ruthless in the summer maybe he should be a little more ruthless now. The same old problems are cropping up game after game and nothing seems to be getting done to sort it.

  41. Quote Originally Posted by woolly View Post
    I don't know about being ruthless in the summer maybe he should be a little more ruthless now. The same old problems are cropping up game after game and nothing seems to be getting done to sort it.
    What would you like him to do now? No matter who is picked or formation atm the team look shot.

  42. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    What would you like him to do now? No matter who is picked or formation atm the team look shot.
    Solskjaer talks about the youth but then when we gave no RB surely we should you know... use a youth player?
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  43. To be fair, if we’re to lose, it may as well be embarrassing destruction. Wake up call to the board. None of this “happy with CB options” shit. No cutting fucking corners

  44. Well, honestly, OGS certainly has tweaked tactics up...and he's reverted to the counter attacking tactics that failed JM lol. Now, is it due to fitness levels? We'll find out next season

    We're obviously not making top 4 so it's time to start thinking of next season.

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  45. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Solskjaer talks about the youth but then when we gave no RB surely we should you know... use a youth player?
    What youth player? Laird and Williams are injured ffs.

  46. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    What youth player? Laird and Williams are injured ffs.
    Pretty sure O'Connor can play in either fullback position, would of had him over this. Should of planned for this game with him, we knew since the suspensions that we had no RB for todays game last week or so.

  47. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    What would you like him to do now? No matter who is picked or formation atm the team look shot.
    As Zzeezzy has pointed out he has been going on about the youth but other than Dalot and Rashford where are they? Remeber Rashford only got in the first team squad as a result of a lucky break who is to say the likes of one of the young players Ole has been going on about couldn't do the same. Ferguson took a risk with Beckham etc and they changed the face of the club from a cup winning team to the dominant force in England for over 10 years. The club aren't going to win anything this season so it is worth taking a risk in my view.
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  48. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Pretty sure O'Connor can play in either fullback position, would of had him over this. Should of planned for this game with him, we knew since the suspensions that we had no RB for todays game last week or so.
    So you want to play a cb at FB. When your complaining about Ole doing the same lol.

  49. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    So you want to play a cb at FB. When your complaining about Ole doing the same lol.
    One key difference though, you won't have calamity Jones and can keep your best ball-playing defender centrally in Lindelof.

    Come on mate you know today was totally wrong setup wise, we can't defend it. We have no plan in the final third either, it's just down to a moment of brilliance or a good Pogba pass.

  50. Quote Originally Posted by woolly View Post
    As Zzeezzy has pointed out he has been going on about the youth but other than Dalot and Rashford where are they? Remeber Rashford only got in the first team squad as a result of a lucky break who is to say the likes of one of the young players Ole has been going on about couldn't do the same. Ferguson took a risk with Beckham etc and they changed the face of the club from a cup winning team to the dominant force in England for over 10 years. The club aren't going to win anything this season so it is worth taking a risk in my view.
    Your seriously try to compare this situation to the like of Fergie bringing in Becks etc. It’s not even close. Look at the players they were coming into to play with compared to this lot. And Beckham earns his stripes out on loan also before hand.

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