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  1. Frustrating again. Played fairly well. Can’t do anything about Dea Gea howler. City should have 2 men off. And Lingard missing an open goal. Frustrating!!!

  2. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Frustrating again. Played fairly well. Can’t do anything about Dea Gea howler. City should have 2 men off. And Lingard missing an open goal. Frustrating!!!
    De Gea had 2 howlers....

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  3. 5 at the back and we're 2-0 down, always too late with the subs. Sorry I trust literally nothing of this going forward. Solskjaer is a fantastic human being but he keeps doing questionable decisions and if this was Mourinho we would crucify him. This vein of form is worse than Mourinho.

    We could play until the new year and still not bloody score a goal from open play. Sigh sigh sigh f'in sigh, oh to see the real United again.

  4. Seems like De Gea's head isn't in United anymore.
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  5. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    5 at the back and we're 2-0 down, always too late with the subs. Sorry I trust literally nothing of this going forward. Solskjaer is a fantastic human being but he keeps doing questionable decisions and if this was Mourinho we would crucify him. This vein of form is worse than Mourinho.

    We could play until the new year and still not bloody score a goal from open play. Sigh sigh sigh f'in sigh, oh to see the real United again.
    Please go away ZZ. You didnt trust him from day one so don't pretend you've changed your mind because we're losing to the best team in the league you wierdo. The set up was actually working, we just ran out of steam, because we aint fit enough, which you already know

    The "real" United once got thumped 6-1 by City. At home.

    There's nothing questionable, because the game is fucking dead, even then he took off our shittest midfielder and brought on an attacker. So just what the fuck are you bitching about?

    The reason no one is crucifying Solskjaer is that he's had 3 months and no transfer window. Mourinho had 2 and a half seasons and 250m. And We're still in a better position than Jose left us
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    5 at the back and we're 2-0 down, always too late with the subs. Sorry I trust literally nothing of this going forward. Solskjaer is a fantastic human being but he keeps doing questionable decisions and if this was Mourinho we would crucify him. This vein of form is worse than Mourinho.

    We could play until the new year and still not bloody score a goal from open play. Sigh sigh sigh f'in sigh, oh to see the real United again.
    News flash nothing Ole can do with the mess of the squad he has inherited. You know it's bad when you run out of steam after 30min!!!. This will take 3 or 4 transfer windows to sort out and that if he gets the recruitment right.

  7. wonder what the odds are that de gea and pogba wont be here next season?ive no doubt at al that atleast one will be gone and im pretty sure i know who as do we all

  8. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dilakh2 View Post
    News flash nothing Ole can do with the mess of the squad he has inherited. You know it's bad when you run out of steam after 30min!!!. This will take 3 or 4 transfer windows to sort out and that if he gets the recruitment right.
    He knows this. He's just acting like a child. Because I refuse to believe he's got the memory of a goldfish.

  9. Seems like the WC and the abuse De Gea and his girlfriend got after wards has absolutely shot his confidence!

  10. someone get a stat how many times Fred has given the ball away tonight. Shocking game from him.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Seems like the WC and the abuse De Gea and his girlfriend got after wards has absolutely shot his confidence!
    Have to consider that he has been pillar thats been holding United up so long with his performance. Seeing no mayor progress will take down even the strongest.

  12. Zz man, I like you Ok, but every day you sound like a broken record. 99% of your posts here are bitching and moaning about stuff United cant change at this moment.

    Yeah, United needs a new players. Yeah, United needs a better conditioning. Yeah, United needs to ''gel' to fit Solskjaers tactics - which are really good and effective but they are gas heavy.
    All those things must be addressed in the summer. Its the end of the season, players are tiered because 1) They are in abysmal conditioning 2) Club screwed up with some key contracts 3) Some of them are not good enough.

    We get it. We've been through this so many times. Please man, for your own sake, marry up.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by dilakh2 View Post
    someone get a stat how many times Fred has given the ball away tonight. Shocking game from him.
    Don’t think he was to bad tbh. Only CM Tonight putting in a shift for 90 mins. He gives the ball away trying to pass forward to much. Needs to learn when to do it and when to keep it simple. Been our best CM with Mctominey last few weeks. Not exactly flush with options lol.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Bujakaa92 View Post
    Have to consider that he has been pillar thats been holding United up so long with his performance. Seeing no mayor progress will take down even the strongest.
    I would say all these talks are affecting him. Same happened when he signed the deal last time. I have a feeling he's a bit of a snowflake.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Don’t think he was to bad tbh. Only CM Tonight putting in a shift for 90 mins. He gives the ball away trying to pass forward to much. Needs to learn when to do it and when to keep it simple. Been our best CM with Mctominey last few weeks. Not exactly flush with options lol.
    Sorry watched him a couple of times now hes a headless chicken presses when sometimes holding his position is the best option. Watch him get the ball it takes him like two or three touches to get it under control and the plays gone by the time he gets the pass off no wonder his rushing the forward pass all the time. Wouldn't get into the midfield of any of the top 6 and Arsenal have Xhaka and hes terrible.

  16. like we said chelsea game is huge now isnt it

  17. Quote Originally Posted by RhQQ View Post
    They’ll have heard the Arsenal score, let’s see their bottle

    On De Gea for me. Love the man but he’s been half the keeper lately. Has to do better for both goals. He’s also turning 29 and very reliant on agility/reflexes...
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  18. Modern Day Legend
    Quote Originally Posted by dilakh2 View Post
    someone get a stat how many times Fred has given the ball away tonight. Shocking game from him.
    Naby's been poor at times this year giving it away as he's adapted mate but Fred makes him look like prime Xavi.
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  19. Not actually worried about Fred he’s shown he has quality and more importantly he’s shown to me he got the right mentality. Also thought Periera was pretty good again today till he went off injured. Pogba on the other hand bar the odd flash here and there’s was pretty poor again imo.

    He and the club need to decide quick on his future. If he wants to stay and comit then fine get your head down and be the player we all know you can be if not sell him! For the money we could get for Pogba you could transform this team. Toby, Meunier, Fernandes, Lozano and still have some change. That’s before we even touch our transfer budget.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Not actually worried about Fred he’s shown he has quality and more importantly he’s shown to me he got the right mentality. Also thought Periera was pretty good again today till he went off injured. Pogba on the other hand bar the odd flash here and there’s was pretty poor again imo.

    He and the club need to decide quick on his future. If he wants to stay and comit then fine get your head down and be the player we all know you can be if not sell him! For the money we could get for Pogba you could transform this team. Toby, Meunier, Fernandes, Lozano and still have some change. That’s before we even touch our transfer budget.
    think its time to think about selling him dont think his heart is in it may be saf was right in the first place who knows such a shame

  21. Okay, now I feel you guys give Zz too much shit and I will admit, he can be a bit repetitive with his concerns but some of his concerns are indeed valid.


    Will OGS' appointment work out? Looking at our recent run, you'd have every reason to doubt it. Now, people bring up conditioning but we can't simply put that insipid performance against everton down to conditioning since the players never showed up from minute 1. I'm pragmatic enough to hold off any criticism of OGS until next season but I won't be surprised if not much will change in terms of current performances. Ole could very well be a flash in the pan and a good short term option but what about long term?






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  22. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legend Incredimaria View Post
    Okay, now I feel you guys give Zz too much shit and I will admit, he can be a bit repetitive with his concerns but some of his concerns are indeed valid.


    Will OGS' appointment work out? Looking at our recent run, you'd have every reason to doubt it. Now, people bring up conditioning but we can't simply put that insipid performance against everton down to conditioning since the players never showed up from minute 1. I'm pragmatic enough to hold off any criticism of OGS until next season but I won't be surprised if not much will change in terms of current performances. Ole could very well be a flash in the pan and a good short term option but what about long term?






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    I'ts not about valid or nor valid. He's repeating the same shit every 12 hours. Knowing full well absolutely none of it can change until the end of the season. It's stupid.

    Also saying nothing will change, when just 2 months ago we saw how devastating the players can be, is also stupid

    We can't judge long term, because we are not in the close season for long term plans such as transfers to start occurring.
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  23. some 1 should make a aftv but for us would be some funny shit

  24. I don't think we'll ever agree on it though Mike, for me the appointment of Solskjaer went entirely against what they said they were going to do from the start... wait until end of season before making a decision. But no of course they jump the gun because they can't make calculated footballing decisions hence the need for a Director Of Football badly.

    Compound that to contracts with Smalling, Jones and Young then we're off to a losing start to this supposed great incoming rebuild. People who think Smalling is even good enough need to seriously ask themselves a question.... why does he never get into a Southgate England team? Cos he's not good enough to play out from the back, this is supposedly what an Ole system is going to be doing next season.

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    But anyway that's the last I'll say on the matter until next season at least anyway.

  25. Smalling isn't good enough to play out from the back? Did you ever watch a game under lvg? He was class and always bringing the ball forward. Unless it's his brother Mike I'm getting confused with

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  26. I don't buy this not fit enough crap. When ole came in we was a different team. Maybe have been a bounce from a new manager but we was playing quicker and getting forward. Lose a few games and it's gone to shit. Now the excuse is were not fit. How? We had half a season under mourinho where we hardly run. So if they have done fuck all for half a season, then make an effort on par with top sides for 2 months, all of a sudden they are knackered again?

    They are professional athletes on tens and hundreds of thousands a week. And done fuck all near required for half a season before they started running. Fatigue and fitness shouldn't be our excise now. And it's not like they have no energy at all. If they ran flat out for 60/70 minutes then got tired and dropped off then fair enough. But against Everton we didn't run from minute 1. Are we to believe playing 12 games at a different pace from before has wiped them out? If so they all need sacking

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  27. Quote Originally Posted by steveorobbo View Post
    Smalling isn't good enough to play out from the back? Did you ever watch a game under lvg? He was class and always bringing the ball forward. Unless it's his brother Mike I'm getting confused with
    Smalling is tough as nails, great in the air and surprisingly quick for a centerback, but he's basically a 1980s type of defender. It's true, under LVG it seemed as if suddenly Franz Beckenbauer died and his soul went into Smalling. But 3 years later I think it's obvious that it's not that Smalling magically improved, it's just that LVGs extremely structured approach to football was making up for Smallings tactical inadequacies.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    I don't think we'll ever agree on it though Mike, for me the appointment of Solskjaer went entirely against what they said they were going to do from the start... wait until end of season before making a decision. But no of course they jump the gun because they can't make calculated footballing decisions hence the need for a Director Of Football badly.

    Compound that to contracts with Smalling, Jones and Young then we're off to a losing start to this supposed great incoming rebuild. People who think Smalling is even good enough need to seriously ask themselves a question.... why does he never get into a Southgate England team? Cos he's not good enough to play out from the back, this is supposedly what an Ole system is going to be doing next season.

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    But anyway that's the last I'll say on the matter until next season at least anyway.
    You keep highlighting this all the time zZ. They are not the best, but they are good enough to be rotational options. That is why they received new contracts. And they add to our homegrown contingent.

    They are rotational, and won't start next season. They are perfect for rotation, though, and you do need an alternate to a BPD, and Smalling is good at staying back. As for Young, he has a one year contract extension, and as long as he doesn't start next season, it is still a pretty good deal covering for injuries (the club is already looking for a RB, and Shaw will start on the left). Young can cover for multiple positions, and gives it his all on the pitch, generally. And we need leaders in the dressing room, and he atleast serves as that.

    You are basically looking at the past few games, seeing Young, Jones and Smalling starting and hyperventilating about the future. IF they are still starting at the start of next season, I will give you that. But until then, it is a situation noone can do anything about, due to a lack of other players in the positions. Besides, with a new CB next season, we would have to go to the market to get two more passable CBs incase Smalling and Jones weren't extending, adding to an already seemingly impossible rebuild.

  29. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steveorobbo View Post
    I don't buy this not fit enough crap. When ole came in we was a different team. Maybe have been a bounce from a new manager but we was playing quicker and getting forward. Lose a few games and it's gone to shit. Now the excuse is were not fit. How? We had half a season under mourinho where we hardly run. So if they have done fuck all for half a season, then make an effort on par with top sides for 2 months, all of a sudden they are knackered again?

    They are professional athletes on tens and hundreds of thousands a week. And done fuck all near required for half a season before they started running. Fatigue and fitness shouldn't be our excise now. And it's not like they have no energy at all. If they ran flat out for 60/70 minutes then got tired and dropped off then fair enough. But against Everton we didn't run from minute 1. Are we to believe playing 12 games at a different pace from before has wiped them out? If so they all need sacking

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    You don't buy it but we've seen it.

    All season we were outrun by EVERY SINGLE OPPONENT under Mourinho. Under Solskjaer we immediately outran every single opponents then after about 12 games we suffered about 5 hamstring injuries and immediately stopped doing so. It's not coincidence. It is however extremely damning of the fitness of the side.

    Saying they are professional athletes is largely irrelevant. They don't control the level of their conditioning. This is something you bring to a level in pre season, and maintain throughout the season, because the body has to be ready to sustain that over long term periods.

    We saw it last night against the fittest side in the league. Blowing after half an hour. Then we started dropping off, being second best, got picked off

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Sherkey View Post
    You keep highlighting this all the time zZ. They are not the best, but they are good enough to be rotational options. That is why they received new contracts. And they add to our homegrown contingent.

    They are rotational, and won't start next season. They are perfect for rotation, though, and you do need an alternate to a BPD, and Smalling is good at staying back. As for Young, he has a one year contract extension, and as long as he doesn't start next season, it is still a pretty good deal covering for injuries (the club is already looking for a RB, and Shaw will start on the left). Young can cover for multiple positions, and gives it his all on the pitch, generally. And we need leaders in the dressing room, and he atleast serves as that.

    You are basically looking at the past few games, seeing Young, Jones and Smalling starting and hyperventilating about the future. IF they are still starting at the start of next season, I will give you that. But until then, it is a situation noone can do anything about, due to a lack of other players in the positions. Besides, with a new CB next season, we would have to go to the market to get two more passable CBs incase Smalling and Jones weren't extending, adding to an already seemingly impossible rebuild.
    Exactly!!!

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    When did City become the de facto fittest side in the league? And not 'one of the fittest?'

    Twice I've seen that the last 12 hours or so.

    Curious minds and all that. Shrugs.

  32. Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinthehouse View Post
    When did City become the de facto fittest side in the league? And not 'one of the fittest?'

    Twice I've seen that the last 12 hours or so.

    Curious minds and all that. Shrugs.
    Defo between you and City. Would say City just edges it. But we are light years off

  33. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinthehouse View Post
    When did City become the de facto fittest side in the league? And not 'one of the fittest?'

    Twice I've seen that the last 12 hours or so.

    Curious minds and all that. Shrugs.
    Fittest, one of the fittest. You're pointless splitting hairs over the core issue.

    Shrugs
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  34. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Defo between you and City. Would say City just edges it. But we are light years off
    It's largely irrelevant which one is De facto best anyway. Doesn't change the crux of the issue

  35. Honestly would be happy for Fletcher to come in at some capacity. Listening to him a lot lately on various pods and 5 live. Talks a hell of a lot of sense and admits to being a real student of the game. Didn’t realise he’d done his badges and been doing a bit of advising for Scottish FA/National team.

  36. Modern Day Legend
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    Fittest, one of the fittest. You're pointless splitting hairs over the core issue.

    Shrugs
    It was a genuine question as you specifically made the point. Twice.

    But regardless, whilst you're right over Utd's P poor fitness levels, there's also no excuse for a lot of the players completely downing tools and putting zero effort in at all at Everton. Which I believe was Robbo's point. We struggled with up and down fitness (and a horrible run of injuries related to it) whilst they changed from Rodgers to Klopp but at the least, they were giving everything every game and 5 months in they were looking a lot fitter than when he first arrived and lasting longer. And he never tipped up until the October in 2015.

    So the fitness line only goes so far and is being badly overused here. As pertinent as the general point is.
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  37. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of Dreams83 View Post
    Honestly would be happy for Fletcher to come in at some capacity. Listening to him a lot lately on various pods and 5 live. Talks a hell of a lot of sense and admits to being a real student of the game. Didn’t realise he’d done his badges and been doing a bit of advising for Scottish FA/National team.
    Totally wrong move for me, this club seems to be obsessed with having to hire someone who has previous connection with the club. If you're looking to become the best in the business, lets hire the best in the business.

    There are thousands of people in Fletcher's position, I don't see how him and & Phelan seem like a good idea to take this club forward. We need someone to come in and shake this joint up, fresh approach and new ideas. Not people who are built on the old regime and think we can get back to the Fergie way.

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    Theoretically we will look like this: -

    Phelan
    Fletcher

    CSolskjaerC
    arrick
    McKenna

    That's really the way to take us forward? Is anyone actually genuinely thinking the biggest rebuild this club has ever had will be turned around with that. Sigh.

  38. Noone is looking at Fletcher. We have been beset with rumours ever since we announced are looking for a DoF. So, it's probably just that. Rumours.

    The only problem is if the Glazers/Woodward are looking for yes-men. That makes it a problem. Let's hope not. But don't think I want Fletcher. I would be okay with Phelan, but I would be equally happy with someone foreign too. What I don't want is a figurehead appointment, just for the sake of it. That would be a disaster, and all that person would be is a scapegoat.

    Anyhow, forget fitness, the players seem to be showing no desire to play on the pitch, too. Especially Pogba, he has largely been invisible on the pitch. He has been more inconsistent over the course of this season than Nani, and that is saying something. Honestly, if doesn't want to play, just flog him off for a good price. Will help with the rebuild, and will remove his nonsense from the dressing room. No point keeping him, and then him being a passenger in the team. He should have been carrying this bloody team.

    I get tiredness and conditioning, but I don't get players not giving it their all. And we have seen too much of that in Pogba and MArtial. And sheer ineptitude in recent matches by Lukaku, Matic, Fred. Something has to give, even if it is a swift kick up the arse. It is ridiculous that they are getting away with it, on the surface.
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  39. Quote Originally Posted by Sherkey View Post
    Noone is looking at Fletcher. We have been beset with rumours ever since we announced are looking for a DoF. So, it's probably just that. Rumours.

    The only problem is if the Glazers/Woodward are looking for yes-men. That makes it a problem. Let's hope not. But don't think I want Fletcher. I would be okay with Phelan, but I would be equally happy with someone foreign too. What I don't want is a figurehead appointment, just for the sake of it. That would be a disaster, and all that person would be is a scapegoat..
    I honestly don't know what we have to do to see Greenwood, the guy is scoring and playing levels above anyone in this team, he can't do any worse than these. Yes I know it's different football level in itself but if he can't get a chance now, when will he? When Lukaku came on he got the ball closer to the car park than the net.

  40. pogba in team of the year??anyone else surprised?
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  41. Quote Originally Posted by djs1 View Post
    pogba in team of the year??anyone else surprised?
    He doesn't deserve it at all, there are countless better players at City and Liverpool in midfield. Even Spurs as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djs1 View Post
    pogba in team of the year??anyone else surprised?
    I don't know what was more surprising. That and no Son for one.

    Or Ederson in nets. How do you not vote in the fella with more CS and fewer goals conceded?

    I presume Raheem will bag the young player award or that will be another complete joke.
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  43. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sherkey View Post
    Noone is looking at Fletcher. We have been beset with rumours ever since we announced are looking for a DoF. So, it's probably just that. Rumours.

    The only problem is if the Glazers/Woodward are looking for yes-men. That makes it a problem. Let's hope not. But don't think I want Fletcher. I would be okay with Phelan, but I would be equally happy with someone foreign too. What I don't want is a figurehead appointment, just for the sake of it. That would be a disaster, and all that person would be is a scapegoat.

    Anyhow, forget fitness, the players seem to be showing no desire to play on the pitch, too. Especially Pogba, he has largely been invisible on the pitch. He has been more inconsistent over the course of this season than Nani, and that is saying something. Honestly, if doesn't want to play, just flog him off for a good price. Will help with the rebuild, and will remove his nonsense from the dressing room. No point keeping him, and then him being a passenger in the team. He should have been carrying this bloody team.

    I get tiredness and conditioning, but I don't get players not giving it their all. And we have seen too much of that in Pogba and MArtial. And sheer ineptitude in recent matches by Lukaku, Matic, Fred. Something has to give, even if it is a swift kick up the arse. It is ridiculous that they are getting away with it, on the surface.
    I'm not far off trading Pogba for Neves and Milinkovic-Savic.

    Martial needs to get his shit together, so does Lukaku,

    Get meunier in. Excellent top pro, good going forwards, solid at the back

  44. Modern Day Legend
    Pogba and Hazard frustrate the living P out of me. Why I could never give credence to anyone that claimed either were among the top players in this league. They both have all the ability going and 'should' be dominating every week. But it's as and when they want to turn up. Hazard doesn't only take months off, he takes whole season's off his time at Chelsea for his WC ability. Then he scores a Worldie, effortlessly, against West Ham the other week and the mediots are creaming themselves over him again.

    Can't do with natural God-given wastes of top echelon talent like that.
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  45. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    Both are definitely among the top players in the league. When they want to be.

  46. Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinthehouse View Post
    Pogba and Hazard frustrate the living P out of me. Why I could never give credence to anyone that claimed either were among the top players in this league. They both have all the ability going and 'should' be dominating every week. But it's as and when they want to turn up. Hazard doesn't only take months off, he takes whole season's off his time at Chelsea for his WC ability. Then he scores a Worldie, effortlessly, against West Ham the other week and the mediots are creaming themselves over him again.

    Can't do with natural God-given wastes of top echelon talent like that.
    No wonder he didn't last long under Fergie and Mourinho calling him virus was right all along. Don't think Klopp would put up with him for long either. But who knows, I don't know what to think anymore. Maybe they are just playing in shite teams and can't deliver when they are playing with the likes of Lukaku or Higuain.

  47. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    I honestly don't know what we have to do to see Greenwood, the guy is scoring and playing levels above anyone in this team, he can't do any worse than these. Yes I know it's different football level in itself but if he can't get a chance now, when will he? When Lukaku came on he got the ball closer to the car park than the net.
    Hes been struggling with a growth spurt. He’s hardly featured for any level in the last few months it’s expected he’s 17.

  48. Quote Originally Posted by zzeezzy View Post
    Totally wrong move for me, this club seems to be obsessed with having to hire someone who has previous connection with the club. If you're looking to become the best in the business, lets hire the best in the business.

    There are thousands of people in Fletcher's position, I don't see how him and & Phelan seem like a good idea to take this club forward. We need someone to come in and shake this joint up, fresh approach and new ideas. Not people who are built on the old regime and think we can get back to the Fergie way.

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    Theoretically we will look like this: -

    Phelan
    Fletcher

    CSolskjaerC
    arrick
    McKenna

    That's really the way to take us forward? Is anyone actually genuinely thinking the biggest rebuild this club has ever had will be turned around with that. Sigh.
    Its not a bad thing you know to get players in and nearly all the top teams in Europe do it. clubs usually find a former player that is well liked and groom them for the position. Overmars and VDS at Ajax, Abidal at Barca, John De Jong and Van Bomm at PSV, Zorc at Dortmund, Hasan Salihamidži? at Bayern, Zidane used to be Real's director of Football. There’s even more but like Sherk said it could all be talk and will have to see.

  49. Quote Originally Posted by Scouseinthehouse View Post
    Pogba and Hazard frustrate the living P out of me. Why I could never give credence to anyone that claimed either were among the top players in this league. They both have all the ability going and 'should' be dominating every week. But it's as and when they want to turn up. Hazard doesn't only take months off, he takes whole season's off his time at Chelsea for his WC ability. Then he scores a Worldie, effortlessly, against West Ham the other week and the mediots are creaming themselves over him again.

    Can't do with natural God-given wastes of top echelon talent like that.
    I am sure both of them would truly shine if they were surrounded by better players.

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