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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Headshothunter View Post
    Here is my big problem:

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    I don't seem to get the best out of my offensiv players, they aren't scoring the amount of goals i am hoping for. I just played city and i have the same amount of shots and more ballpossession, but my strikers aren't very effective. I also have to they, that i had to play with some subsitutes because of injuries.

    Please help me.
    Post up your tactics and I'll try and offer what I can. Just come to the end of my second season, first season in the league I scored 74 goals and second season 85, only really made 1 attacking addition to the squad in that time too so scoring has never really been my issue.

  2. Quote Originally Posted by addug View Post
    Post up your tactics and I'll try and offer what I can. Just come to the end of my second season, first season in the league I scored 74 goals and second season 85, only really made 1 attacking addition to the squad in that time too so scoring has never really been my issue.
    The Team: http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/3801/liverpoolteam.png

    Instructions: http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6...instructio.png

    Goalkeeper: http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3388/32210427.png

    Centerbacks: http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4722/88528736.png

    Fullbacks: http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/5925/fullbacks.png

    MCL: http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4830/mvl.png

    MCR: http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7720/mvrl.png

    AML: http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/672/aml.png

    AMC: http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4687/amc.png

    AMR: http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8386/amrn.png

    Poacher: http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/6796/poacher.png

    I am now in my second season and it is about to go well, but i still have the feeling, that my tactic can be better. Plus player instructions.

  3. I must admit on first glance there's not a massive amount of difference between the tactic I use and what you've gone for. Which players are getting you goals?

    Main changes I have:

    set the AML and AMR duty to attack, and the AMC to support
    set the ST role as a DLF
    set the DR/DL role to WB and duty to attack
    set the tempo to quick
    set the closing down to press more

    I'd also consider zonal marking, in my third season my defence was pretty amazing, 23 clean sheets and only 19 goals conceded.

    Players wise I think you're getting to the point where you should really consider phasing out Gerrard, his ability started to drop pretty rapidly for me around early 2014, the obvious replacement is Shelvey in the immediate future, or if you have the money Wilshere is perfect and should be available for about 21 m.

    When you're going forwards I'd look for players that suit the mould you're making, particularly in your wide areas. I mean my DL/DR/AML/AMR have an average age of below 21 yet despite relatively low abilities (but high potential) can dominate seemingly any team.

    All that being said I'm in the process of radically rebuilding my team over 2015 summer window, so everything I've just said could well go out the window haha.

  4. I'm in the start of the third season with Liverpool myself, won the Premier League the first two and scored plenty of goals during those campaigns. I play the same formation, though with full backs (Alaba and Corchia) on support, and the AML/AMR (Sterling/Suarez and Wellington Nem/Suso) are inside forwards on attack roles. Also my AMC (Isco/Gerrard) is set to Attacking Midfielder, and in addition Lucas/Allen is on a support role as BWM, with the DLP (Thiago/Shelvey) also on a support role. I use Neymar/Rodrigo as poacher, and Neymar scored more than 1 goal per game last season. Although I should point out I use a different tactic on away games, with a V formation (using Lucas/Allen as anchor) and using a counter-attacking strategy.

    I do concede some goals though, mainly due to my attacking minded style of play. However, I don't care if I win 3-2 or 1-0, as it is the points that matter in the end. Like addug I play with a quick tempo, and have set the closing down to press more. Gerrard is being phased out and is playing less and less, with players like Isco, Shelvey and Suso rotating in the AMC position while also using the two latter in other positions (central midfield(dlp) and winger(if)).

    If I were you I might try to set the full backs on support, though bear in mind this could concede you goals as well as scoring more yourself. Moreover, I'd check the stats of the wingers to see if they're actually producing an adequate number of assists. If not, I'd consider switching Suarez to left wing as inside forward, and using Borini on the right wing with Rodrigo as poacher. And as a small side note: Try switching Agger to the DCL position instead of DCR, seeing as how he is left footed. He's also great as BPD, which you might wanna consider.

  5. Thought I'd share my new team. As you can see only 3 players over 25 in the starting 11, something like an average age of 21.5 without those 3, so we'll see how it goes. Still not sure how best to use Shelvey, and obviously Borini is going to be key, but I'm not quite sure how I plan to use him.

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    This summer I sold Skrtel for £24.5m, Enrique for £16.5m, Stoch for £23.5m (bought for £10.5m), Mame Diouf for £12.5m (free transfer, then loaned out for the season), trying to sell Suarez for around £25m+ and possibly Allen or Henderson so I can focus on bringing through one of my younger midfield prospects. My transfer budget ass it stands is now up to £125m, potentially upto £170m if I sell Suarez and Allen/Hendo. Obviously this is a huge budget, but not something I intend to blow on big names, more interested in bringing through this young team as it has bags of potentials for years to come.

    Might do it as a story "You Could, Just Could, Win Everything with Kids".

    Edit: Raheem Sterling seems to be seen as something of a myth when it comes to his wonderkid potential, so thought I'd share his profile by July 2015. Played a total of 131 games in 3 years, scored 50 goals, 49 assists. Won European Golden Boy twice and now starting to really break into the national team.

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    Last edited by addug; 29/11/2012 at 02:37 PM.

  6. Nice addug. Seems like we play the game quite similarly, although I have spent a fair deal of money so far. But, my team is very young and the only spending I'm planning to do the next 3-5 years is that of young talents. As you can see, the only player I have over 30 is Gerrard, and he's being phased out. My transfer budget now is about £60m, but it won't be used since I already have a great squad. Next year I will sell Agger while I can still get a good amount for him, and in 1-2 years I will sell Suarez for the same purpose.

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    I'll post my version of Raheem Sterling as well, as he's been great for me so far. 83(12) appearances, 31 goals, 30 assists.

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  7. Definitely a solid squad you've got going forwards there! Is it Wellington Nem the one that starts with a release clause of something ridiculously low? Gutted that I didn't pick him up early on the way he's performing now on mine, still at Corinthians but getting tons of goals for an AMR. Definitely jealous of some of the big names you've managed to snag! I have a bit of a self imposed transfer cap, my biggest purchase is Wilshere at £21.5m, which I thought was a bargain really, seemed like the most appropriate, like for like Gerrard replacement.

    I presume Tizzard and (the unfortunately named) Negro are regens? They both look like great prospects considering their positions. I have twelve 5* PA under 18s and many more 4+, so trying to focus my efforts and making sure they all get as near to that as possible.

    Find some of the valuations a little confusing, Suarez particularly, his value has never gone above £21 for me despite having a couple of seasons scoring 30+ goals.

  8. Yeah, Nem has a release clause of £3.5m, and he's my first choice on AMR as inside forward, been great so far which is reflected in his high value.

    Some of the big names I've signed have been quite expensive, and between 1st and 2nd season I spent £200m on transfers, and sold for over £100m. Basically a huge makeover of the entire squad, only keeping young players with good potential (exception being Gerrard, I just don't have the heart to sell him). So yeah, I blew my transfer budget completely last summer, but I won't have to sign any big names the coming years, unless a key player should decide to hand in a transfer request.

    Tizzard, Negro, Conchie are all regens. I got another regen coming in next january, a DR with a 5* potential. I've found plenty of other high potential regens, but seeing as how I have a very young squad already, I don't think I can give them all enough playing time for them to reach their potential. I will try to get Tizzard and Conchie up there though, and perhaps Negro can fill in on AML after Suarez leaves.

    Suarez was worth £18-21m for a long time, but this summer he suddenly bounced up to £29m and has now dropped to about £26m. However, Thiago (who has a very high, fixed PA) is only worth £13.75m, so I can't really make sense out of it myself. Also, some players (like Corchia and Rodrigo) have an apparently low potential rating, but their attributes for the roles I use them in (FB and P respectively) are awesome. Doesn't really make sense, and I tend to take some of the ratings with a pinch of salt.

    Wilshere is no doubt a great signing, I've bought him and Ramsey on the last 2 versions of FM, but this year I went for Isco and Thiago. Not sure I made the right choice, but they're still young and have more than enough time to settle in. I'm curious as to whether you'll be able to make all those regens (12 with 5* potential is amazing) reach their full potential. If you can, you'll have a complete team of regens, and if you can't, you'll still have some great players with good sell-on value.

    I'll add a screenshot of my transfer activity so far, feel free to post yours.

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  9. Ahh I thought it was something like that, wishing I'd taken advantage of that before they renewed his contract, valued at £20.5 million in July 2015 on my save.

    Have any of your bigger name signings not worked out? Obviously having not spent any big fees I've not had quite such an issue, but I've had a few youngsters who already look unable to reach their scouted potential by the age of 20, could be through poor scouting or lack of first team opportunities, but Labyad, Kondogbia and Pedro are all in this group for me. In total with add ons and clauses they probably cost up to £30m, but admittedly are unlikely to reach their clauses so may come in under 20.

    Yeah I'm in a similar position really, my team is already so young that it seems unlikely I'll be able to get the new players through fast enough, unless I'm basically fully changing my team on a 3 season cycle.

    It's interesting how the valuations go, like my best season with Suarez was 13/14, when he got 31 league goals, but his value still stayed at £21 or less and now I'm trying to sell him the highest bid was about £25m which I rejected, but 2 weeks later I'm struggling to even get £20m. After a lot of disappointing young signings I've taken to getting 2 or 3 scout reports from different scouts before signing anyone.

    Yeah Isco and Thiago both seem to be pretty solid signings from what I've read around. Like you I couldn't bring myself to get rid of Gerrard, I only gave him 4 starts last year, one of which was the Champions League final, and that was only out of sentimentality (it was being played at the same stadium as the 04/05 CL win and with it being 10 years I decided to make that his last proper match). But anyway as I was saying, while I considered Isco and a seriously unsettled Muniain (who I was trying to get on a pre-contract and was only 3 or 4 months away from stealing away) for the AMC role, the prospect of a like for like, fiery young British replacement in Shelvey or Wilshere was too hard to ignore.

    I'm pretty proud of managing to find and capture that many haha it would have been a lot more but my initial approach to contracts wasn't great. Now I've taken to offering about 20% above the inital wage demand and a huge increase after 20 league appearances I pretty much always get them. I've just checked again and I actually have a total of 16 players with a 5* rating, the oldest two being 23, so obviously I have a long way to go to get them to their potential.

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    In 2017 I have a massive influx of Brazilian u18s arriving, 10 - 5* (4 st, 4 amc, 2 dc) 4 - 4.5* (2 dc, 2 dm) so that's obviously going to put even more youth competition in, at which point I'll have to evaluate the current ones and decided who I think it likely to make it to their potential and sell those who aren't going to.

    Here are my transfers:

    12/13
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    13/14
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    14/15
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    15/16
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    I aren't anticipating many more transfers over the next week before the end of the window, other than if I'm to sell Suarez and most likely Allen. Our pre-season peformance was really good, over 4 friendly matches, we came out with 4 wins, 12 goals scored, 1 conceded. Then beat Man City on penalties after a 1 all draw in the Community Shield. 4 points from first 2 league games so can't really complain!
    Last edited by addug; 01/12/2012 at 02:26 PM.

  10. All of the big signings have paid off so far, perhaps with the exception of Isco and Thiago actually. They haven't been bad at all, in fact they've been quite good (at least Isco). It's just that I was expecting a bit more. But then again, they're still just 22 and 23 years of age. In their first season in the Premier League, Isco had 31 apps, 5 goals and 10 assists with an avg. rating of 7.18. Thiago had 26 apps, 0 goals and just 2 assists with an avg. rating of 6.84. So they obviously haven't answered to my expectations, especially Thiago.

    Nicely done of you to give Gerrard that match, he deserves it! Going for british players like Wilshere is obviously a more safe bet, since they're already accustomed to the Premier League. I would probably have bought him myself if I had gotten an offer accepted, but it never happened.

    But yeah, I can tell that you really like to find and sign new talents, it's one of my favorite parts of the game too. But the last two years, with FM12 and 11, I ended up buying (almost) as many as you have, and very few of them managed to reach their potential - they were simply too many for me to manage, it was impossible to give them all enough playing time. It ended up being more of a burden than an advantage, and it also took a heavy chunk out of my wage budget after a while. So this year I've decided to have one transfer window where I rebuild the squad (which I've already done, in the £200m window), and the next 3-5 years only buy players if they're really amazing and I know I will use them as backup. So far, so good. I have Tizzard I use as backup for Alaba, Conchie is rotating with Shelvey, Thiago and Isco, I have a couple out on loan, and I have a right back coming in the janury 2016 window (currently in oct. 2014, damn brazilians) who I will use as backup for Corchia.

    My first 2 seasons were pretty identical in the Premier League:
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    I've only played 9 matches so far in the third season, but currently on course to improving on my last 2:

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    Have you managed to get the board to build a new stadium? They've refused so far on my save, so eventually I just had to ask them to expand. They've expanded twice now, and the total capacity is now 53,776. Man Utd has expanded Old Trafford to 94,842 seats, and Man City has almost 60,000, so I feel I really need to get a new stadium. But since I've already expanded twice, it's probably even more unlikely that they'll build one now. Guess I'll just have to keep expanding, want at least 60,000.

    Also, how are your finances? Last year I had a total loss of £65,360, which was mostly due to big spending. I expect to get a nice profit this season. I'm on a wage budget of £1.4m p/w, which I feel is actually quite low considering all the big names I've signed. I think it was about £1.1m or £1.2m in the start if I remember correctly.
    Last edited by mersk; 01/12/2012 at 09:33 PM.

  11. Really good start from Isco then from the sounds of it! Not so great from Thiago, but as you say he's still far from what you'd traditionally consider to be his peak age, so sure that he'll still come good on his promise and potential!

    Yeah haha as a Liverpool fan I didn't have the heart to not play him, the fact that it was 10 years and played at the same stadium just seemed to good a chance to miss. I've given him a contract as player/under 18s coach now and moved him to the reserves as I have way too many midfielders now.

    Definitely starting to understand what you mean about it becoming a burden, the last few days of the transfer window became a bit of a nightmare. I have 4 or 5 transfer requests, a couple of players didn't turn up to training so when January comes I may well have to cut a few of them. My issue at the moment is mainly with the first team "back up players". My issue is that my favoured eleven are still so young and nowhere near their potential that I can't really afford the luxury of rotating them with players who are even further away from their potential as the team could become too weak. In the end I couldn't get rid of Suarez or Allen in August, but they're definitely top of my list to try and get rid of in January, and I probably need to sell at least another 3 of my first team squad.

    Wow yeah you definitely picked things up in that second season! Who were your top 3 scorers that year? I think my first season I scored 74, second was 85, conceding 33 both seasons. Then last season only scored 76 but conceded 19, with 23 clean sheets so I was really happy with the defensive performance! Felt really nervous then selling Skrtel and Enrique, but Kjaer seems to be going from strength to strength. I took him on a free transfer, with the intention of just selling him on straight away (as I did with Mame Diouf) but he's really relieved the pressure to bring through Marcelin who is a 5* CD regen I'm focusing on bringing through.

    If you do need a slightly older RB, I can't recommend Wallace enough, I got him for £4.4m and he's now a national team contender for Brazil, scores some absolute screamers as well haha. His PA varies from 4 to 5* so will be interesting to see where he ends up.

    Unfortunately not! Similar to you that was one of my top priorities, first season the board outright refused anything. I'm nearing the end of my second completed extension, but even after that I'll only be at 50,000 so I think I might then just wait a few years to improve finances further and then try and build a new stadium. Old Trafford is at 92000 on mine, it's so frustrating that they've been able to expand so much!

    Last season I had a profit of £4m, the projection for this season is an £80m which is largely from the fact that I've sold so many big names early on in the summer window. Yeah I'd definitely agreed tbh, to have a squad of that ability/potential so low is very good. Mine is currently at £1.75, which is definitely more than I'd like (even though the budget is £2.45m) once I'm able to either move on Reina, or get him on to a staff contract it'll look a lot better though (he's on £150,000), even on Gerrard player/staff contract he's on £75,000 so I should be able to knock another £50,00 off that when I move him over to solely staff.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by addug View Post
    Really good start from Isco then from the sounds of it! Not so great from Thiago, but as you say he's still far from what you'd traditionally consider to be his peak age, so sure that he'll still come good on his promise and potential!
    Yeah I'm sure he'll improve. So far in the third season he has 10 apps, 1 goal and 3 assists, with an avg. rating of 7.05.



    Quote Originally Posted by addug View Post
    Definitely starting to understand what you mean about it becoming a burden, the last few days of the transfer window became a bit of a nightmare. I have 4 or 5 transfer requests, a couple of players didn't turn up to training so when January comes I may well have to cut a few of them. My issue at the moment is mainly with the first team "back up players". My issue is that my favoured eleven are still so young and nowhere near their potential that I can't really afford the luxury of rotating them with players who are even further away from their potential as the team could become too weak. In the end I couldn't get rid of Suarez or Allen in August, but they're definitely top of my list to try and get rid of in January, and I probably need to sell at least another 3 of my first team squad.
    Yeah that's the thing, you risk getting too many players in the squad, and some of them will get unhappy about lack of playing time, get lower morale, hand in transfer requests, give you problems regarding discipline etc. I think the best approach is to have about 18 players you know you'll be able to give a fair amount of playing time, and count on more experienced players as backup - or have some good prospects on the reserve team you can move up to first team in case of injuries/suspensions. I'm having problems limiting myself, as there are so many potential stars out there I wanna buy.


    Quote Originally Posted by addug View Post
    Wow yeah you definitely picked things up in that second season! Who were your top 3 scorers that year? I think my first season I scored 74, second was 85, conceding 33 both seasons. Then last season only scored 76 but conceded 19, with 23 clean sheets so I was really happy with the defensive performance! Felt really nervous then selling Skrtel and Enrique, but Kjaer seems to be going from strength to strength. I took him on a free transfer, with the intention of just selling him on straight away (as I did with Mame Diouf) but he's really relieved the pressure to bring through Marcelin who is a 5* CD regen I'm focusing on bringing through.
    Not sure how to check stats from earlier seasons, but Neymar had 28(1) apps in the PL, 34 goals and 11 assists with an avg. rating of 7.89! In total last season he had 45(3) apps, 52 goals and 19 assists. Definitely worth the £39m. Sterling had 23(4) apps in the PL, 10 goals and 13 assists and avg. rating of 7.54. I also sold Skrtel and Enrique, and the only one I still have in defense from the original line-up is Agger, who I'll sell next summer. Kjær is awesome, a good buy and someone I've had success with on earlier versions of FM, especially when teaming up him and Agger.


    Quote Originally Posted by addug View Post
    Last season I had a profit of £4m, the projection for this season is an £80m which is largely from the fact that I've sold so many big names early on in the summer window. Yeah I'd definitely agreed tbh, to have a squad of that ability/potential so low is very good. Mine is currently at £1.75, which is definitely more than I'd like (even though the budget is £2.45m) once I'm able to either move on Reina, or get him on to a staff contract it'll look a lot better though (he's on £150,000), even on Gerrard player/staff contract he's on £75,000 so I should be able to knock another £50,00 off that when I move him over to solely staff.
    Yeah I have a projection of £86m this season, not sure if that's what I'll end up with, but definitely a good plus margin in any case. I have 5 players on £100k p/w or more, and Gerrard is one of them. What keeper are you looking to replace Reina with? I replaced him with ter Stegen already in the first window, and he's played every single game for me so far and been immense. I guess he'll be 23 years old or something in your save now, and if he's been playing regularly his potential should still be pretty high. It's fixed to start with, and higher than that of David de Gea.

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    As you can see, Man City is paying more than double of what I'm paying, haha! I don't mind my wages increasing in the future, as long as I can handle it and the team is performing well. But I don't think I'll ever have it as high as City, if that happens I'll resign...

  13. Definitely sounds like he's moving in the right direction then from those stats and pretty quickly too!

    Yeah totally agree, in past years I've never really had anymore than 21 in the first team squad. My issue last year was that I played so many games (68, including 4 pre-season friendlies) that conditioning started to become a major issue, and in turn injuries became stupidly common. At one time even after bringing in some youth/reserves I could only put out 5 subs I really felt comfortable with. This season my first team squad is 32, I'm thinking 24-27 is probably a better number for me next year. It does get really hard when you come across a good prospect to limit yourself though as you say! Clearly from the fact I have 52 players across my squads I struggle even more so haha.

    Neymar sounds like a bargain with those stats haha. He basically played a part in 50% of your league goals?! I really need someone that consistent, as much as I love Suarez in real life for Liverpool he can be so frustrating on FM haha. He'll be 29 by the end of the January transfer window though so I really need to try and move him on. Agger played about the first 10 games in 12/13 for me then got injured, and Coates was too consistently high performing to really drop. Really pleasantly surprised by Kjaer though!

    My projection has gone up to £83.02m, nice to see it heading in the right direction! Have you done the "recommending staff role talk" with Gerrard? Once he gets on with that you can offer him a player/staff contract which will be a lot lower even if you do plan to keep using him from time to time! I have Jamie Carragher as my assistant, so not sure what I'll do when Gerrard totally retires as I'd prefer him as my assistant, before he succeeds me. I've been a massive fan of ter Stegen since discovering him on last years FIFA, and would definitely have gone for him, but I found a Dutch regen with 5* who is developing well and looks like he will get there. I have a pretty handy back up in Mattia Perin (2.5 CA/2.5 PA) but will probably look to sell him on in a couple of years.

    I'm actually really jealous of your wage situation haha. I want to get mine down to that sort of level, obviously once I get rid of a few players including Suarez, it won't be far off but I've been looking at some renewals and it's not looking good! For starters Wilshere is asking for double his wages (taking him to £220,000pw), double appearance fee, double goal bonus...

    How does yours compare?

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    Here's my start to the season. So proud of my defence yet again, especially considering the 4 who I've played most have an average age of below 21 haha. At the other end of the pitch, I have no idea what to do. When I've rotated the team, players who I didn't see as starters have played really well, leaving me with decisions to make!

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    What's your 18 man squad/tactics page, looking like this season?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by addug View Post
    Neymar sounds like a bargain with those stats haha. He basically played a part in 50% of your league goals?! I really need someone that consistent, as much as I love Suarez in real life for Liverpool he can be so frustrating on FM haha. He'll be 29 by the end of the January transfer window though so I really need to try and move him on. Agger played about the first 10 games in 12/13 for me then got injured, and Coates was too consistently high performing to really drop. Really pleasantly surprised by Kjaer though!
    Yeah, he was worth about £44m for a while, now he's dropped to £34.5m though because of a slow start to the season (a slow start for him meaning "just" 9 goals in 12 Premier League games). I'm planning on keeping him as long as I can afford his wages.


    Quote Originally Posted by addug View Post
    My projection has gone up to £83.02m, nice to see it heading in the right direction! Have you done the "recommending staff role talk" with Gerrard? Once he gets on with that you can offer him a player/staff contract which will be a lot lower even if you do plan to keep using him from time to time! I have Jamie Carragher as my assistant, so not sure what I'll do when Gerrard totally retires as I'd prefer him as my assistant, before he succeeds me. I've been a massive fan of ter Stegen since discovering him on last years FIFA, and would definitely have gone for him, but I found a Dutch regen with 5* who is developing well and looks like he will get there. I have a pretty handy back up in Mattia Perin (2.5 CA/2.5 PA) but will probably look to sell him on in a couple of years.
    Yeah I did that with both Carra and Gerrard, and they both look like shit coaches. I let Carra run out his last contract, and he's currently an unemployed manager. Gerrard has terrible attributes, and the only one over 13 is defending! Totally random, I wish SI would make players becoming staff have less randomized attributes. How are their attributes on your save? Must be decent if you're having Carra as assistant, or is that more due to nostalgia?


    Quote Originally Posted by addug View Post
    I'm actually really jealous of your wage situation haha. I want to get mine down to that sort of level, obviously once I get rid of a few players including Suarez, it won't be far off but I've been looking at some renewals and it's not looking good! For starters Wilshere is asking for double his wages (taking him to £220,000pw), double appearance fee, double goal bonus...
    Hehe, I'm pretty pleased with it at the moment yeah, but I know what you mean about players asking for extreme wages. It's really typical when they're already on high wages and your team is having success. It sucks, but I guess it's realistic unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addug View Post
    Here's my start to the season. So proud of my defence yet again, especially considering the 4 who I've played most have an average age of below 21 haha. At the other end of the pitch, I have no idea what to do. When I've rotated the team, players who I didn't see as starters have played really well, leaving me with decisions to make!
    Very nice start! Just 3 goals conceded in 10 games is really strong. I just finished my 13th game and have a 27-7 goal difference, meaning yours is slightly better. My next game is against City, so hopefully it won't fuck my stats up too much. It's at home, so I'm definitely going for a win, they're a bit too close in the league table for my liking. Yeah, I know alot of people rotate players every other game because they have so many players and they're desperately trying to keep them all happy. I pick my team based upon condition and form rather than games played. Like Rodrigo, who scored 4 goals in the last match. There's no doubt he'll be starting against City, pushing Neymar out to the AML.


    Quote Originally Posted by addug View Post
    What's your 18 man squad/tactics page, looking like this season?
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    Gerrard has been really great recently, and still has some games in him, so I couldn't leave him out for the next match. Usually Isco would start, but like you can see he only has a 6.74 rating the last 5 games. Rodrigo got a 9.9 rating the last game haha, hope he can keep scoring like that, he's stealing the limelight from Neymar at the moment!

  15. Quote Originally Posted by mersk View Post
    Yeah, he was worth about £44m for a while, now he's dropped to £34.5m though because of a slow start to the season (a slow start for him meaning "just" 9 goals in 12 Premier League games). I'm planning on keeping him as long as I can afford his wages.
    I saw one screencap of Neymar at early to mid twenties where his valuation was 90 million euros! Think he was at Barcelona on that one though so might explain it to some extent, but still pretty crazy to say the least! I was intending to keep Wilshere right to the end of his career, but if his wage demands stay as it is I might struggle to! Going to wait till January so I can at least put another 5 and half years on it! Is there a date when all the valuations go up just out of age? I noticed it at the end of last season every player seemed to increase loads, but it could have been because I'd just won the Champions League.

    Quote Originally Posted by mersk View Post
    Yeah I did that with both Carra and Gerrard, and they both look like shit coaches. I let Carra run out his last contract, and he's currently an unemployed manager. Gerrard has terrible attributes, and the only one over 13 is defending! Totally random, I wish SI would make players becoming staff have less randomized attributes. How are their attributes on your save? Must be decent if you're having Carra as assistant, or is that more due to nostalgia?
    As if, that is pretty weird. They're both really solid tbh. Carragher is 17 defence, 16 mental and youth, 15 technique and tactical. Gerrard is 20 attacking, 16 man management, youth and mental, 15 fitness, disappointing tactical and technique though. Really can't understand why they've come out poorly on yours.

    Quote Originally Posted by mersk View Post
    Hehe, I'm pretty pleased with it at the moment yeah, but I know what you mean about players asking for extreme wages. It's really typical when they're already on high wages and your team is having success. It sucks, but I guess it's realistic unfortunately.
    Ahh the main differences are rotation, hot prospect and not needed then! Most of my rotations are in fact hot prospects, but they weren't interested in that status so yeah, more of a sign I need to stop signing quite so many young players haha.


    Quote Originally Posted by mersk View Post
    Very nice start! Just 3 goals conceded in 10 games is really strong. I just finished my 13th game and have a 27-7 goal difference, meaning yours is slightly better. My next game is against City, so hopefully it won't fuck my stats up too much. It's at home, so I'm definitely going for a win, they're a bit too close in the league table for my liking. Yeah, I know alot of people rotate players every other game because they have so many players and they're desperately trying to keep them all happy. I pick my team based upon condition and form rather than games played. Like Rodrigo, who scored 4 goals in the last match. There's no doubt he'll be starting against City, pushing Neymar out to the AML.
    Wow yeah definitely hard to justify dropping someone after scoring 4 in a game! I've generally done pretty well against City, Newcastle and Arsenal have been the teams that I've really struggled against for some reason. My main issue is the fact that I have anywhere up to 8 players competing for my AML/AMC/AMR line, then for my 2 MC spots I have 7 realistic choices, there is some crossover obviously same goes for ST, but I definitely have too many players.

    Quote Originally Posted by mersk View Post
    Gerrard has been really great recently, and still has some games in him, so I couldn't leave him out for the next match. Usually Isco would start, but like you can see he only has a 6.74 rating the last 5 games. Rodrigo got a 9.9 rating the last game haha, hope he can keep scoring like that, he's stealing the limelight from Neymar at the moment!
    Ahh yeah, looks like he;s on a good run. Unfortunately his CA has gone down so much for me that it'd take an absolutely massive injury crisis for him to be a consideration. I'm not certain I'll have started the same 11 in any two matches so far this season, so could be a while before I work out my best 11!

  16. Mersk I am interested in copying your tacs as been trying lots of different ones to try and get LFC firing. I have coppied from the screen shot but do you use any individual tacs, shouts and whats the team instructions??

    Thanks for any help.

  17. I finished the 2012/13 season in 5th place, 3 points off top 4. Disappointed in getting knocked out in the Group Stage of the EL and 3rd Round of the CO Cup and the 4th Round of the FA Cup. Borini finished as top scorer for me, 35 league goals... breaking the EPL goalscoring record. Notable players i bought were Georginio Wijnaldum, Danny Simpson, Wilfried Zaha. And players i sold were Cole, Spearing, Glen J, etc.

  18. How did you get rid of cole. at start or end of season. i never gt hime to agree to leave. what tac did you use?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by addug View Post
    I saw one screencap of Neymar at early to mid twenties where his valuation was 90 million euros! Think he was at Barcelona on that one though so might explain it to some extent, but still pretty crazy to say the least! I was intending to keep Wilshere right to the end of his career, but if his wage demands stay as it is I might struggle to! Going to wait till January so I can at least put another 5 and half years on it! Is there a date when all the valuations go up just out of age? I noticed it at the end of last season every player seemed to increase loads, but it could have been because I'd just won the Champions League.
    Shit, that's insane. I've noticed the valuation works differently from previous versions. On FM12, if you bought a player for £50m, he would be valued at £50m regardless of his previous value and it would gradually drop. On FM13 on the other hand, the value of player might increase slightly after being bought, but it doesn't get set to the buy price. I've also found that players generally decrease in value during the season, but only if they have already reached their potential. Young players with high potential will gradually increase in value as long as they are improving, but experienced players tend to drop (unless they're playing exceptionally well), and when the summer transfer window comes it shoots back up - this could probably be related to winning trophies and the signing of new contracts. This means that if you're gonna buy an experienced player, it could be wise to do it in january. Likewise, it could be wise to wait until the summer window before you sell an experienced player. At least that's my impression so far.


    Quote Originally Posted by addug View Post
    As if, that is pretty weird. They're both really solid tbh. Carragher is 17 defence, 16 mental and youth, 15 technique and tactical. Gerrard is 20 attacking, 16 man management, youth and mental, 15 fitness, disappointing tactical and technique though. Really can't understand why they've come out poorly on yours.
    Yeah, it's because they are generally randomized. It continues to confuse me why SI have chosen to have coaches' attributes differ so much from save to save. I've seen lists of coaches supposed to be 4.5-5 stars, who on my save have often been just 3.5-4 stars. The same goes for players becoming staff, like Carra and Gerrard: Their attributes are randomized, leaving you with attributes decided by a random throw of dices. Very frustrating and pointless. I was hoping SI would do something about it in FM13, but obviously they haven't.


    Quote Originally Posted by addug View Post
    Wow yeah definitely hard to justify dropping someone after scoring 4 in a game! I've generally done pretty well against City, Newcastle and Arsenal have been the teams that I've really struggled against for some reason. My main issue is the fact that I have anywhere up to 8 players competing for my AML/AMC/AMR line, then for my 2 MC spots I have 7 realistic choices, there is some crossover obviously same goes for ST, but I definitely have too many players.
    Rodrigo scored 1 against City, and Neymar scored 2. Ended up beating them 5-1, which gives me a breather at the top of the league table. I've usually done well against Newcastle and Arsenal, the team that I struggle against is actually Wolves! But yeah, with that many players to choose from it can be hard for a player to maintain a good form. Also, if you sell some players you'll cut down on your wage budget and thus earn the club more money. But I definitely feel you, it's hard to say no to buying wonderkids for bargain prices!

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Jason Saville View Post
    Mersk I am interested in copying your tacs as been trying lots of different ones to try and get LFC firing. I have coppied from the screen shot but do you use any individual tacs, shouts and whats the team instructions??

    Thanks for any help.
    Personally I wouldn't recommend copying anyone's tactics, as all tactics are (meant to be) suited for the team in question and the players at hand. This is especially true in FM13 in contrast to earlier versions. In FM12 you could use the same tactic for every game and win them all, provided you had the best players. In FM13 though, you'll find that some tactics work against certain other tactics, but fail to do the job in other cases. For instance, my 4-2-3-1 is not very efficient playing against a 4-1-2-3, as their DM will often cancel out my AMC, who is also my main playmaker. I could list up several different examples, but I'm sure you get the point.

    Nevertheless, I will provide you with some screenshots should you decide to try it anyway.

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    The shouts I use are "retain possession", "play out of defence", "play through defence" and "hassle opponents". I often change team mentality to Control after taking the lead, especially if I'm playing a strong side. Bear in mind I rarely use this tactic when playing away games, unless I'm playing a weak side or feel like gambling. In away games I usually play with my other tactic, which is a more defensive one with a DM instead of an AMC.

    Don't expect immediate firework, and don't rely on it to win you games. The best thing you can do is develop your own tactics. And remember, if you lose or draw games with a tactic you feel suits your team, a huge change in tactics may not be the best answer. Sometimes small tweaks are all it takes.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by mersk View Post
    Shit, that's insane. I've noticed the valuation works differently from previous versions. On FM12, if you bought a player for £50m, he would be valued at £50m regardless of his previous value and it would gradually drop. On FM13 on the other hand, the value of player might increase slightly after being bought, but it doesn't get set to the buy price. I've also found that players generally decrease in value during the season, but only if they have already reached their potential. Young players with high potential will gradually increase in value as long as they are improving, but experienced players tend to drop (unless they're playing exceptionally well), and when the summer transfer window comes it shoots back up - this could probably be related to winning trophies and the signing of new contracts. This means that if you're gonna buy an experienced player, it could be wise to do it in january. Likewise, it could be wise to wait until the summer window before you sell an experienced player. At least that's my impression so far.
    Yeah I'd noticed that as well, the thing at the end of the season just through me a little. I'd never done more than a couple of seasons on FM12, but really like how they've changed the values system. Definitely makes it a lot more rewarding to manage "the Wenger way" haha. I think the morale of a player may have some effect as well, although obviously that seemingly effects form as well, in turn effecting the value. I had to bite the bullet a bit with Suarez. Got to January in my save and I hadn't even given him 10 matches (starts or as a sub), his value was going up and down, but always around £15m, and with the number of players I options I have for the attacking 3, and Son Heung Min and Ademilson as my favoured strikers, this wasn't really gonna change! I managed to get £23.5m for him, to Juventus. Felt a bit gutted to sell him, and the fans weren't happy to see a club icon go either.

    His last match pretty much summed up his Liverpool career. Home match against Tottenham, he scored a wonder goal after 10 minutes, but then missed 2 penalties in the first half haha (they had Vertonghen sent off in the first minute, we hammered them all game).

    Quote Originally Posted by mersk View Post
    Yeah, it's because they are generally randomized. It continues to confuse me why SI have chosen to have coaches' attributes differ so much from save to save. I've seen lists of coaches supposed to be 4.5-5 stars, who on my save have often been just 3.5-4 stars. The same goes for players becoming staff, like Carra and Gerrard: Their attributes are randomized, leaving you with attributes decided by a random throw of dices. Very frustrating and pointless. I was hoping SI would do something about it in FM13, but obviously they haven't.


    In the case of former players, you would think there'd be a lot more consistency than there obviously is. After how they both turned out in mine I assumed that there was a pattern, from the fact mine seemed logical but yours suggest otherwise! I wonder if it's linked to their attributes at the point in their playing career you encourage them to become a staff member?

    Quote Originally Posted by mersk View Post
    Rodrigo scored 1 against City, and Neymar scored 2. Ended up beating them 5-1, which gives me a breather at the top of the league table. I've usually done well against Newcastle and Arsenal, the team that I struggle against is actually Wolves! But yeah, with that many players to choose from it can be hard for a player to maintain a good form. Also, if you sell some players you'll cut down on your wage budget and thus earn the club more money. But I definitely feel you, it's hard to say no to buying wonderkids for bargain prices!


    Haha that's a great result! How many points clear are you now? We hit a bit of a rut in December, finally lost a game after a 58 game unbeaten streak, ironically it was against Arsenal that I broke their record haha. But it then seemed appropriate it was Man U that beat me. I've sold Suarez(£23.5m) and Allen(£17.5m) in early January, which obviously took quite a bit off, but I have to pay Suarez 48k p/w till June 2017. I'm now about 70k p/w better off than I was, that's after renewing Wilshere, Casquero (LB 5* regen) and a few hot prospects.

    I saw your thread about potential dropping and despite what some say there is definitely something in it other than it being relevent to the squad. I notice it with Sterling, Wallace and Kjaer a lot! But the same as you Sterling's value is now other £20m so I don't understand why. I also had Coates pick up a hip injury leaving him out for 3+ months, both his CA and PA were 4* before the injury, after his comeback he's down to 2.5* CA and PA. Not happy at all!

  22. Just finished third season, won the Premier League, Champions League, FA Cup and even the Mickey Mouse Cup even though I didn't even try to win it, haha. I decided I needed to make some changes in the squad, and even though I'm only in mid-June I've already had a busy transfer window so far.

    I decided to let Agger and Suarez go. Agger was 30 and only had 1 year left on his contract. Luckily Real Madrid was interested, and bought him for £31.5m, roughly double of his value. Suarez was 28 with also just 1 year remaining on his contract, and didn't have a really good season, scoring only 2 goals in 30 league matches. He still had an avg. rating of 7.11, and attracted the likes of Barcelona, who outbid Man City with a bid of £45m against City's of £41m. Both deals are confirmed.

    In addition I signed Daniel Sturridge for just £1.8m in the January window, played him in 6 matches in which he performed good, and just sold him to Wolves for £13m! Great business. I'm also looking to offload Shelvey who I no longer need, despite him having performed well and reached a value of £21m. I'm hoping to get somewhere near £30m for him. I'm also trying to sell Rodrigo, who despite scoring a decent amount of goals hasn't really convinced me. I bought him for £13.5m and he's now valued to £16.5m, but the only offer I've had so far is a loan offer from Stoke that will cover his wages and use him as a key player. Might not be a bad deal, as his value could increase further if he has a successful loan spell. I've not had any offers for Suso yet, although he's worth £21m and is just 21 years old. But there's still plenty of time left in the transfer window.

    The only signing I've made so far, apart from regens, is Kyriakos Papadopoulos. I figured I needed a dependable centre back as Agger left, and I'm about to offload Vadim Demidov who I used as backup. That will leave me with Papadopoulos, Zouma, Nkoulou and Doria, which should provide good cover in that position. One of the regens I bought was a £12m signing from Barcelona:

    Liverpool FC Discussion-ernest-roberto_-overview-attributes.png

    Notice the great stat distribution, and how many attributes that are around the 15 mark. He just turned 17, and I got a good feeling about this one. Also got some others regens in, most of them for just a compensation fee.

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    Conchie and Eastham came through my own youth intake, and especially Conchie looks awesome. Him and Ernesto Roberto are the main reasons I'm selling Shelvey. With Thiago and Isco (who both have had a great season and are value at £28.5m and £27.5m respectively) as first choices, these two should provide some interesting backup. And of course I also have players like Wellington Nem, Neymar and Gerrard(!) who can also play in the AMC role should it be needed.

    I'll post an update when the transfer window is over, but so far it's looking really good. These transfers also mean I'll be reducing my wage budget, as Suarez was on £100K p/w and Agger on £75K. Btw, Raheem Sterling is now valued at £27m! Allen and Lucas are both at £25m, and I'm gonna keep Lucas for another season as he's still 28 and I can sell him for a good price next year.

    I might need some reinforcements as far as wingers go, since Suarez mainly rotated with Sterling on AML and Suso rotated with Nem on AMR. Might go for Oxlade-Chamberlain to replace Suso, unless I can find a regen or retrain one I already have.

  23. Does anyone have a Liverpool save file i may use? Reason being I have one myself, however I keep getting those crashes with the dump files..strangely enough my liverpool save is the ONLY one that does this....and its also quite saddening cause on that particular save Im first in the league in December and Borini is a scoring machine. I don't want to start over to be honest. I dont want to be picky incase anyone does let me use their save, but id prefer it to be in the 2nd season or even halfway or so through the first

  24. Hi fellas, Just recently got the game ( last thursday ) completed a season with Liverpool and came 4th!! Which im pretty chuft about, part from the fact Utd came above me but what can ya do, biggest shockers of my season was 1. Borini has been an absolute star, along with Suarez upfront.. First few games I wasnt even playing Borini, but I stuck him on and he's smashing them in left right and center. 2. Danny Wilson .. I played him from the beginning with Skrtel.. Legends together, Agger as back up! anyway.. on to the next season, just got Douglas Costa and a few others.

  25. Alright, finally finished with the transfer window. Think it went pretty good, especially the financial aspect.

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    Decided to stick with Suso, signed him on a new contract since Arsenal wanted crazy money for Oxlade-Chamberlain. Got a bunch of great regens, and will be using them as backup. I also signed some decent players for free, who I have loaned out and look to sell after the season. Also the board expanded the stadium and it's now at 55.000 seats. They don't wanna build a new stadium yet, but maybe in a year or two.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by mersk View Post
    Alright, finally finished with the transfer window. Think it went pretty good, especially the financial aspect.

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    Decided to stick with Suso, signed him on a new contract since Arsenal wanted crazy money for Oxlade-Chamberlain. Got a bunch of great regens, and will be using them as backup. I also signed some decent players for free, who I have loaned out and look to sell after the season. Also the board expanded the stadium and it's now at 55.000 seats. They don't wanna build a new stadium yet, but maybe in a year or two.
    very nice management mate

  27. Well Im starting to struggle a little, Borini, my top goal scorer is injured for about 7-8 months, Suarez - morale very poor... he cant score, i got W.Zaha, who is proving to be quiet decent.. first game he got a hatrick.. next fixtures within 5 games are reading,newcastle,man city, utd & Juventus.. oh dear!!

  28. Quote Originally Posted by mersk View Post
    Alright, finally finished with the transfer window. Think it went pretty good, especially the financial aspect.

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    Decided to stick with Suso, signed him on a new contract since Arsenal wanted crazy money for Oxlade-Chamberlain. Got a bunch of great regens, and will be using them as backup. I also signed some decent players for free, who I have loaned out and look to sell after the season. Also the board expanded the stadium and it's now at 55.000 seats. They don't wanna build a new stadium yet, but maybe in a year or two.
    Wow not bad at all, I swear 15/16 is a really good year for raking it in haha I took about £125m to £14m spent that year.

    16/17 started pretty awful for me, worst league start and between Euro Super Cup and Club World Championship I'm permanently playing catch up with anything up to 4 games in hand at some points. Only took 2 points from my first 3 matches which was pretty worrying. Ademilson has just become amazing though, think he has 3 hat tricks so far this season, about 30 goals in little over 20 games now.

    My defence is finally looking how I want, so I'm probably going to sell Kjaer and Coates in January at the end of the season, between them they're valued at about £27m so hopefully be able to get £40m+.

    Plenty of midfield options, only I don't know what I can bring myself to sell Shelvey as I like him to much in real life, so maybe have a couple to many players for the next 2 or 3 years. Selling Hendo sometime this season, so that's another £20m or so.

    Son Heung Min who I got on a free is about ready to sell now and should comfortable be £25m+, like him and he always scores but Ademilson seems a more exciting players and it doesn't make sense to keep both when I only paly 1 ST and they're the exact same age.
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