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  1. TEAM THREAD - LIVERPOOL - TACTIC DISCUSSION

    In here, you can share your thoughts and help others as how to setup a tactic approach for Liverpool

  2. Anyone noticed that Liverpool seem unable to score? Dominating possession, having loads of shots and yet cannot score. I suppose it's realistic, given our shocking form of late, but it's very frustrating! I got Callejon on loan from Real and bought a guy called Kweuke from Sparta Prague who has a minimum release fee of 3.2M.

    I did my usual thing of firing all the staff who aren't any good (most of them) including Pascoe, some of the coaches, scouts and most of the fitness team. Got Johan Cruyff (or cruijj, as he's known on the game) as my replacement assistant manager, and got in a new coach for just about every coaching discipline. Anyway, I think that I've shaken stuff up too much which may explain my poor performances.

  3. I don't have FM 13 so you guys can tweak my ideas a little bit but I'd go for a 4-5-1/4-3-3 whatever.

    Please note that in this tactic, I am instructing how to play LIKE Liverpool, not win with liverpool
    Although there are some points at the end on how to convert this into a winning tactic with Liverpool


    Defence

    2 CB's

    Here we'll be needing a Ball Playing Defender - Stopper and Central Defender - Cover

    Ball Playing Defender - Stopper


    Position : DCL
    Role : Ball Playing Defender
    Duty : Stopper
    Preferred Players (*in order by preference*) : Daniel Agger, Sebastian Coates
    PPM's : Plays Short Simple Passes
    *Instructions*
    (*Everything else default*)

    Passing Style : Short
    Run From Deep : Sometimes
    Run With Ball : Sometimes
    Long Shots : Between Sometimes and Rarely
    Through Balls : Between Sometimes and Rarely
    Cross Ball : Rarely
    Mentality : Normal
    Creative Freedom : Between Little And Normal
    Closing Down : Whole Pitch (just a little more than own half)

    Central Defender - Cover

    Position : DCR
    Role : Central Defender
    Duty : Cover
    Preferred Players : Martin Skrtel, Andre Wisdom
    PPM's :
    Marks Opponents Tightly
    Instructions

    Passing Style : Shortest
    Run From Deep : Rarely
    Run With Ball : Rarely
    Mentality : Most Defensive
    Creative Freedom : None
    Closing Down : Own Half (Write in the middle)

    2 Full-Backs
    Both to have same everything

    Position : DR & DL
    Role : Full Back
    Duty : Support
    Preferred Players : Glen Johnson, Martin Kelly, Andre Wisdom (for DR)& Jose Enrique, Glen Johnson, Stewart Downing (for DL)
    PPM's : Hug Touchline
    Instructions

    Passing Style : Short
    Run From Deep : Often
    Run With Ball : Sometimes
    Long Shots : Rarely
    Through Balls : Sometimes
    Cross Ball : Between Sometimes and Often
    Cross Ball From : Byline
    Cross Ball To : Near Post
    Wide Play : Hug Touchline
    Mentality : Between Normal and Attacking
    Creative Freedom : Between Little and Normal
    Closing Down : Between Own Half and Whole Pitch
    Midfield

    1 DM

    Position : DMC
    Role : Deep Lying Playmaker
    Duty : Defend
    Preferred Players : Lucas Leiva, Joe Allen, Steven Gerrard, Nuri Sahin
    PPM's : Dictates Tempo, Plays Short Simple Passes. Not Look for killer ball everytime (if he does)
    Instructions

    Passing Style : Shortest
    Run From Deep : Between Very Rarely and Sometimes
    Run With Ball : Rarely
    Long Shots : Rarely
    Through Balls : Sometimes
    Cross Ball : Rarely
    Mentality : Defensive
    Creative Freedom : Normal
    Closing Down : Whole Pitch
    Tackling : Hard

    2 CM's

    Here we'll need a Deep Lying Playmaker - Support and an Advanced Playmaker - Support

    Deep Lying Playmaker - Support

    Position : MCR
    Role : Deep Lying Playmaker
    Duty : Support
    Preferred Players : Steven Gerrard, Joe Allen, Lucas Leiva, Jonjo Shelvey, Nuri Sahin
    PPM's : Dictate Tempo, Attempt Killer Ball, Move Into Channels

    Instructions :

    Passing Style : Between Short and Normal
    Run From Deep : Often
    Run With Ball : Sometimes
    Long Shots : Sometimes
    Through Balls : Often
    Cross Ball : Between Very Rarely and Sometimes
    Cross Ball From : Deep
    Cross Ball To : Centre
    Wide Play : Move Into Channels
    Mentality : Normal (towards the defensive side)
    Creative Freedom : Full (Most Possible)
    Closing Down : Whole Pitch

    Advanced Playmaker - Support

    Position : MCL
    Role : Advanced Playmaker
    Duty : Support
    Preferred Players : Nuri Sahin, Jonjo Shelvey, Steven Gerrard
    PPM's : Killer Ball, Shoots With Power, Move Into channels

    Instructions

    Passing Style : Short (just short of Normal)
    Run From Deep : Often
    Run With Ball : Sometimes
    Long Shots : Sometimes
    Through Balls : Often
    Cross Ball : Rarely
    Wide Play : Move Into Channels
    Roam From Position : Yes
    Mentality : Attacking
    Creative Freedom : Much
    Closing Down : Whole Pitch

    2 Wingers
    (both with same everything)

    Position : AMR & AML
    Role : Inside Forward
    Duty : Attack
    Preferred Players : Suso, Stewart Downing, Raheem Sterling (for AMR) and Raheem Sterling, Oussama Assaidi, Luis Suarez, Fabio Borini (for AML)
    PPM's : Cut Inside, Move Into Channels, Avoid Long shots, Place Shots (if they do shoot from range)

    Instructions

    Passing Style : Short
    Run From Deep : Often
    Run With Ball : Sometimes
    Long Shots : Between Very Rarely and Sometimes
    Through Balls : Sometimes
    Cross Ball : Between Rarely and Sometimes
    Cross From : Byline
    Cross To : Near Post
    Wide Play : Cut Inside
    Roam From Position : Yes
    Mentality : Attacking
    Creative Freedom : Normal
    Closing Down : Whole Pitch

    Striker

    Position : STC
    Role : Trequartista
    Duty : Attack
    Preferred Players : Luis Suarez, Fabio Borini, Samed Yesil, Adam Morgan, Steven Gerrard, Raheem Sterling
    PPM's : Comes Deep To Get Ball, Move Into Channels, Attempt Killer Ball

    Instructions

    Passing Style : Short
    Run From Deep : Often
    Run With Ball : Often
    Long Shots : Sometimes
    Through Balls : Often
    Cross Ball : Rarely
    Wide Play : Move Into Channels
    Roam From Position : Yes
    Closing Down : Whole Pitch
    Mentality : Attacking
    Creative Freedom : Full (Most Possible)

    Team/General Instructions

    Defensive Line : Push Up (Just a little more than normal)
    Playing Style : EVERYTHING DEFAULT, DONT EDIT ANYTHING, SINCE WE HAVE SET PLAYER INSTRUCTIONS
    Philosophy : Fluid
    Strategy : Control
    Width : Wide
    Time Wasting : Rarely (Few clicks short of sometimes)
    Counter Attack : Yes
    Play Offside : No

    Don't make any playmaker or target man, and if there is a playmaker by default, then dont edit him, leave him be.

    The idea while attacking is to pass amongst the midfielders using help from the trequartista who drops deeper, getting full backs forward and when the attack is on full throttle (everybody who is supposed to be forward is forward) the 2 CM's or our beloved trequartisa play the killer ball.

    On full throttle, the formation should be 2-5-2-1 meaning full backs playing is RM and LM, DM playing as a CM - Ball Winning player and 2 CMs playing as they should be, while wingers offering passes and the trequartista dropping deeper, making at least 2 players available for a short pass everytime a person receieves the ball.

    And above, please note that the instructions I have given should be implemented, and the rest should be left and preferred players are in order by preference.

    And if the players don't have the specified PPM's, then train them to.

    Hope this helps, with a little bit of tweaking of this (tweaking to my style instead of playing solely like Liverpools, the tactic is very successful in fm12 and should dominate every game with at least 60% possession even against slightly better sides. and if you're playing as liverpool, it will be very successful.

    Shouts
    Play Out of Defence
    Push Higher Up
    Pass to Feet
    Play Through Defence
    Work Ball Into Box
    Retain Possession
    Hassle Opponentsfew extra tips are that use gerrard to the fullest and try and retain nuri sahin's services, focus on buying players under the age of 25, and of course buy players according to the roles given to them, AMR should preferably be left footed and vice versa for AML. Buy cover for our defence and look for trequartistas..

    Tips to tweak into winning formation :

    Make DCL a Central Defender Stopper instead of ball playing and make run from deep rarely and run with ball rarely and through balls rarely and you get my point..
    Reduce advanced playmaker long shots and same with DLP, and make crossing ball to rarely for everyone. We only want to play on the ground, no lofted balls into the big man (sell andy carroll) make run with ball to rarely for everyone except our Trequartista, Deep Lying Playmaker and Advanced Playmaker.
    Hope this helps
    Last edited by Fabio Borini; 28/10/2012 at 12:14 PM. Reason: Missed some points

  4. Quote Originally Posted by roomonfire87 View Post
    Anyone noticed that Liverpool seem unable to score? Dominating possession, having loads of shots and yet cannot score. I suppose it's realistic, given our shocking form of late, but it's very frustrating! I got Callejon on loan from Real and bought a guy called Kweuke from Sparta Prague who has a minimum release fee of 3.2M.

    I did my usual thing of firing all the staff who aren't any good (most of them) including Pascoe, some of the coaches, scouts and most of the fitness team. Got Johan Cruyff (or cruijj, as he's known on the game) as my replacement assistant manager, and got in a new coach for just about every coaching discipline. Anyway, I think that I've shaken stuff up too much which may explain my poor performances.
    Make Suarez focus on training his finishing, you may notice his finishing is very low on fm13 due to his poor record in front of goal last season or just simply play borini.

    Or a strike combo of Borini + Suarez

    Suarez Trequartista, who creates goals instead of scoring himself and Borini Poacher.

    Or Suarez Deep Lying Forward - Support and Borini Advanced Forward - Attack

    Or train Suarez to play in AMC, AMR or AML depending on formation and players in those positions
    Last edited by Fabio Borini; 28/10/2012 at 11:29 AM.

  5. More squad advice as opposed to tactics as I set my team up pretty much exactly how Fabio Borini mentioned above with a few little tweaks. (I prefer wing backs)

    Defense wise the team is very strong, only player worth bringing in is Salvatore Bocchetti. Just offer a contract in late December, you'll need to offer slightly higher than he wants for him to avoid him going somewhere else (35-45k)
    Full backs will tire a lot so rotate them as much as you can within reason.

    Midfield is much the same in the middle, Gerrard, Allen, Sahin, Lucas and Shelvey fill the three roles well but one or two injuries and your lack of solid depth can cause issues.
    Dzagoev is well worth signing for free at the start of the season, plays brilliantly in the advanced playmaker role. Gerrard is aging and Sahin is only in on loan he's a near ideal player to sign, all the right stats and costs you half the wages of Henderson.

    Wingers and strikers are the only real issue.
    Suarez and Assaidi both play amazingly well on the left, Downing and Sterling are your main two options on the right but Downing isn't amazing and Sterling is still very young.
    Depending on how you see the 'Over 48 months' signing thing I'd recommend you bring in an inside forward to play on the right, Gaitan can be signed for around 14-16mil(6-7mil of which you can get upfront). Callejon from Madrid as mentioned can be brought in on loan and provides good cover to all three positions.

    Borini would be your lone striker, tends to go through a cycle of scoring well in 6-7 games then not scoring at all in 6-7 games. Yesil and Morgan both still young so like Sterling and Suso rotate them in when you can but they'll need time.
    Another obvious free signing to get is Llorente, pretty much always joins if you offer close to what he wants.

  6. What are you guys thoughts on my team and how i should play it?


    GK - Reina/Ter Stegen

    DR - Kelly, Johnson.
    DC - Agger, Skrtel, Coates, Carra, Martins Indi
    DL - Enrique, Martins Indi
    DM - Lucas, Capoue, Allen
    CM - Lucas, Gerrard, Allen, Isco, Henderson, Shelvey
    AMC - Gerrard/Isco, Wellington Nem, Shelvey, Pacheco
    AML - Sterling, Assaidi, Nem, Borini, Tello
    AMR - Sterling, Assaidi, Adrian, Nem, Borini, Tello
    ST - Suarez, Borini, Adrian, Destro, Carroll, Pacheco

    The two formations i've been running are a 4-1-2-2-1 with a dm, 2 cm, 2 wingers, 1 central striker. and a 4-3-1-2 with 3 cm, 1 am, 2 central strikers. I've found pretty good success with both of them running a control type of game but wondering what all your thoughts were. I'm starting to lean towards the two striker format as borini and suarez have been just devastating up front together with Isco right behind.

  7. I'm playing a similar style of possession football:
    GK
    LB - Wingback - Support
    CD - BPD
    CD - BPD
    RB - Wingback - Support
    DMCL - DLPM - Defend
    DMCR - DLPM - Support
    AMC - APM - Support
    AML - IF - Attack
    AMR - IF - Attack
    ST - CF - Attack

    control - fluid.
    High creative fredoom, press more, aggressive, limited long shot on pretty much everyone.

    I've had a massive clear out to be fair, henderson, downing etc etc all gone. Cleared out the reserves and will buy a collection of wonderkids to introduce into the team over the next couple of seasons.

    I'm only 5 games in so will post some stats mid season

  8. Been using Liverpool for the last few games. sold Downing for £10mill and Cole for £1.5mill. Signed Dzagoev for free, Felix Klaus for £7mill and Jordan Ayew on loan with view to sign permanently for £11.5mill. So far am in fifth and two points off the lead

  9. Quote Originally Posted by ShadowLFC View Post
    Been using Liverpool for the last few games. sold Downing for £10mill and Cole for £1.5mill. Signed Dzagoev for free, Felix Klaus for £7mill and Jordan Ayew on loan with view to sign permanently for £11.5mill. So far am in fifth and two points off the lead
    I'm sorry, but did you really mean £10 million for Downing or actually £1 million?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Fabio Borini View Post
    I'm sorry, but did you really mean £10 million for Downing or actually £1 million?
    I've gotten between 9 and 12mil for him.

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