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Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs

  1. Quote Originally Posted by Volodya View Post
    dont know whats i do wrong? what with my forwards?

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    my first 11
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    seria A

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    what i must do? buy more creative DMs? or Better Wingers? or my forwards is bad?
    What about your fluid tactic? Is it your first season with this tactic?

  2. Quote Originally Posted by piotr07 View Post
    What about your fluid tactic? Is it your first season with this tactic?
    i plug in this tactic at half of previos season. what about fluid? look at 2nd screenshot.

  3. when i try to import the filter, it says file could not be imported. can anyone help?

  4. Experiencing the same problem as you FatTony.

    5th in the league and 2nd in the Euro League with only one purchase (Schneiderlin) is not much to brag about.

    Is it the OI that fails? Cause everything else seems to be working.
    How can you find an assistant with 16+ in tactical and defending when your not a supreme team?

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  5. seanhrfc, this tactic rullz my friend. here some pics..

    first season with Galatasaray, just sign some player in middle-season
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    bad luck?
    Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-09.jpg

    2nd season, signed/loaned pack of good players;
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    bad luck? again?
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    League tables:
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    cheers mate, this tactic is a good one

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    Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-08.jpg
    as you can see i had an injury issue. you can say it is just a bad luck but if i have a big match next week, everytime two or three of my key players get injured in training or previous match. Sneider, Selcuk, N'Djeng, Jem, Peruzzi, Burak are my key players, but as you can see in critical matches i posted, you'll only see some of them.

    i am extremely satisfied, your tactic is the best tactic for this patch. My team plays well, i keep my staff happy and i am pretty sure i will conquer europe in following years.

    and to those who have complaints about this tactic; the problem is not the tactic

    thanks mate..
    Last edited by darkhon; 02/05/2013 at 12:11 PM.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by FatTony View Post
    Hi Sean, just had the last straw as far as i'm concerned.

    Started season 6 with what is now a very strong squad and i had already decided that i would only continue if i didn't get fucked over early in the season.

    This is half time in my 2nd league game of the season against a Southampton team with only a couple of decent players in the squad.



    I played out the 2nd half and as expected we completely dominated, but missed more good chances and went on to lose 2-1. Had i drawn, i might have had it in me to continue, but its just one loss too many for me and so that's me done.

    I just don't understand SI's thinking when it comes to FM anymore, who do they really think want's to put so much time and effort into a long term save when this is the only way the AI can be made to challenge???
    This is "normal " this year I lost lot of games like this my team have around 20 shot on target 4-5 ccc opponent have 1 or 2 shot and my team lost after fatal keeper bug. Yes I still have great result but for me is this worst FM ever and not realy enjoy
    Last edited by j3nick; 02/05/2013 at 01:07 PM.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by FatTony View Post
    Yeah and what i find very strange is that when i posted the issue at SI, i was more or less told to shut up or be banned? what is that about?

    I was also told that it was my "tactics", so when i mentioned that i had probably used over 200 different tactics during FM13 including the "in game" tactics, this is when they got arsey and threatened to ban me.

    Truth is, if you look at the AI controlled teams, you WILL find that they both win and lose these kinds of games and may well even out over a few seasons, but this is simply not the case for Human controlled teams. I must have played close to 300 matches in my most recent Norwich save and i can honestly say that i'm lucky to nick even a single point over a season, whilst i easily drop 20 or 30.

    Why the cover up?
    In my experience (talking to people who are both on and off the forums here and at SI) I've had loads of conversations about how much more random this patch feels. I witnessed it much, much less in prior patches, but this one does appear unfathomable at times.

  8. Is this tactic ready for the latest patch? Sorry if you´ve already answered but didn´t see...Starting with QPR anyone sugest any players?

    Thanks

  9. have i to use individual training ?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by YOANNS View Post
    have i to use individual training ?
    i always put players individual training according to the position they play in, it works really good for me that way

  11. Quote Originally Posted by dimaria View Post
    Is this tactic ready for the latest patch? Sorry if you´ve already answered but didn´t see...Starting with QPR anyone sugest any players?

    Thanks
    yeah, the tactic works with newest patches. as for the players look over your team, see how you are according to the recommended attributes and if you think you lack players in certain positions, check out sean's player recommendations

  12. Very Good Tactic
    Last edited by Blyk; 12/05/2013 at 01:38 PM.
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  13. Just want to say that since the latest patch this is by far the best tactic that is around. I have tried a few others from the forums but none of them have the consistency of this tactic with so many different teams.

    Having said that I have downloaded the players filter that was released earlier in the thread and I have checked out the recommended players in the opening post, the only problem being that these players seem to be more for big teams and top division teams. I was wondering if we could maybe release some recommended players for lower league clubs such as the championship to maybe the conference.

    This would help those that like to manage lower league clubs find good player that fit this tactic.

    Thanks,

    Alex

  14. Quote Originally Posted by alexpuk2002 View Post
    Just want to say that since the latest patch this is by far the best tactic that is around. I have tried a few others from the forums but none of them have the consistency of this tactic with so many different teams.

    Having said that I have downloaded the players filter that was released earlier in the thread and I have checked out the recommended players in the opening post, the only problem being that these players seem to be more for big teams and top division teams. I was wondering if we could maybe release some recommended players for lower league clubs such as the championship to maybe the conference.

    This would help those that like to manage lower league clubs find good player that fit this tactic.

    Thanks,

    Alex
    its too demanding, as the amount of lower league players is huge. you'll just have to sift through them yourself with the help of scouts and filters

  15. How should I be lining up with this tactic for Everton? Like to give it a try.

  16. hi m8 great tactic! i want to ask you if i dont have so good assistant manager 16+ what should i do ? thanks

  17. Quote Originally Posted by alexpuk2002 View Post
    Just want to say that since the latest patch this is by far the best tactic that is around. I have tried a few others from the forums but none of them have the consistency of this tactic with so many different teams.

    Having said that I have downloaded the players filter that was released earlier in the thread and I have checked out the recommended players in the opening post, the only problem being that these players seem to be more for big teams and top division teams. I was wondering if we could maybe release some recommended players for lower league clubs such as the championship to maybe the conference.

    This would help those that like to manage lower league clubs find good player that fit this tactic.

    Thanks,

    Alex
    At start of game? what league roughly? I took Swindon from league 1 to the prem with back to back promotions and found some stars on the way.

  18. OK, tried a few tactics, wanted to build my own but wanted to first find a nice starting tactic and play a while to re-learn the game (skipped FM12.)

    I always start unemployed and play it a bit as a role-playing game. Swindon picked me up, they were mid league at best, no transfer budget so only free players as an option. Started with this tactic, got it up to fluid, picked up 2 or 3 players to fill roles in the tactic where we were weak but no one outstanding.

    Once the tactic became fluid, we started winning, and managed to actually win the League and get promoted to the Championship league! We're midway through the second season in the Championship league, with the goal to avoid relegation, and we're doing well enough we've changed expectations to mid-table and picked up some transfer and salary money. We probably won't win promotion (not sure I want to be promoted into the Premiership two seasons in!) but we're playing quite well. In fact, we're in the 5th leg of the FA Cup and just upset Liverpool 1-0!

    I'm playing the OP tactic, and found a nice AM with 16 tactical knowledge and 15 in Defense and let him handle the OIs.

    I've found that keeping the tactic at Attacking even when up and wanting to defend seems to work best (best defense is a good offense?) When up and wanting to defend (such as when we went up on Liverpool in the FA Cup and desperately wanted to hang on for the last 10 minutes!) I simply go in and change time wasting to often.

    What I like about the tactic: it appears to result in "realistic" football. We were just promoted from League 1 to Championship League and we're not going to beat Man U 5-0 and we aren't going undefeated in our first season in Championship. We tend to win 1-0, 2-1, etc. and not 6-0. We do occasionally get upset. But I can tell, the tactic is allowing my team to play as well as they can. It feels like a great tactic and not an exploit.

    Thanks Sean!

  19. I'm afraid that the tactic is good enough we may be challenging for promotion to the Premier League! We just made the Championship after my first season coaching Swindon in League 1, where we surprised everyone by winning the league, thanks to this tactic (I had 0 transfer budget that season!) We were targeting avoiding relegation this first season in the Championship, but we have won 6 matches in a row and unscored on in 6 matches, and find ourselves in 5th.

    However, we just had a match against the team in 24th, at home, which we should have won by 4 goals, and we squeaked out a 1-1 tie! But again, that feels like "real" football, you should have the odd match with unpredictable results.

  20. Good tactic!

    I bought Jovetic for the AF role... his skills are insane.

    Watch this goal.. Best goal I've ever seen on FM 2013.

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  21. Can someone tell me who to play for roma first season gk rb cb cb lb dm dm lm rm st st can someone help or has the formation been changed

  22. Chopped and changed tactics all year with Man City and was falling off towards the end where Tottenham were just 2 points off me with 3 games to go, losing the first leg to Valencia 2-0 and in the FA Cup final..however I changed to this tactic and these were my results:

    Valencia 0 Man City 4 - Through to CL Semi
    Man City 2 Everton 1
    Sunderland 0 Man City 1
    Man City 5 Man Utd 1 - First leg of CL semi
    Norwich 0 Man City 1
    Man Utd 1 Man City 0 - Through to CL Final Vs Barcelona
    Man City 0 Watford 0
    West Ham 0 Man City 0
    Tottenham 0 Man City 1 - Won FA CUP
    Cardiff 0 Man City 5 - Won Premier League
    Barcelona 0 Man City 2 - Won Champions League

    By far the best tactic I have used consistently with lower league teams and world class ones like Man City

  23. Well, this will be interesting. I started unemployed, was hired by Swindon in League 1, goal was just mid-table, used this tactic with a zero transfer budget, won the league. Second season, goal was avoid relegation, and we ended up almost getting promoted to the Premier League (which I didn't really want, we did not have the team to go from League 1 to Premier League in two seasons!)

    However, I did well enough in those two seasons that I was offered a huge contract to take over Hull in the Premier League. So now we'll see how this tactic does there with Hull. Our target is to simply avoid relegation. I have recently started also experimenting with King Jassar V2, a variation of Modern Warfare 442, and I'm using that one on occassion when we seem to get in a rut with this tactic.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by docdaddy View Post
    Well, this will be interesting. I started unemployed, was hired by Swindon in League 1, goal was just mid-table, used this tactic with a zero transfer budget, won the league. Second season, goal was avoid relegation, and we ended up almost getting promoted to the Premier League (which I didn't really want, we did not have the team to go from League 1 to Premier League in two seasons!)

    However, I did well enough in those two seasons that I was offered a huge contract to take over Hull in the Premier League. So now we'll see how this tactic does there with Hull. Our target is to simply avoid relegation. I have recently started also experimenting with King Jassar V2, a variation of Modern Warfare 442, and I'm using that one on occassion when we seem to get in a rut with this tactic.
    I do exactly the same. Thing is that AI seems to adapt pretty quickly to play vs Sacchi's tactic (I'm not saying that u start to lose, the results are not as good anymore) so switching to Jassars (option with wingers) does wonders, especially against smaller teams or when u are behind against bigger teams (and they seem to just try to hold you off)

  25. Quote Originally Posted by RecKooo View Post
    I do exactly the same. Thing is that AI seems to adapt pretty quickly to play vs Sacchi's tactic (I'm not saying that u start to lose, the results are not as good anymore) so switching to Jassars (option with wingers) does wonders, especially against smaller teams or when u are behind against bigger teams (and they seem to just try to hold you off)
    What is the option with Wingers? Do you have a link to that one? What does the winger option do better in Jassars?

    Back to the tactic in this thread, it does seem like the AI starts to figure out the tactic and make adjustments that make it more challenging. Just as I assume real life teams would. So having two tactics fully fluid that are quite different seems to be quite useful.

  26. Using this tactics, anyone realised that the opponent's CB always have very high ratings??

  27. which tactic do all of you use? the original one from post 1 or the tweaked tactic?

    please let me know.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by wijnandfens View Post
    which tactic do all of you use? the original one from post 1 or the tweaked tactic?

    please let me know.
    i use this for away games and the the 42211 tweak for home

  29. Quote Originally Posted by wijnandfens View Post
    which tactic do all of you use? the original one from post 1 or the tweaked tactic?

    please let me know.
    I just use the original. I've tried the tweaked one - like all of us, we're always looking for the next best tactic. But the original seems to work well. As I noted above, I also have the team become fluid in the modified Modern Warfare 2 (King Jassar V2) because at times it seems the AI adjusts itself to this tactic and formation and switching usually helps, but then I switch back.

  30. what Ground Size is recommended for this tactic?

  31. Sorry guys, but what is the page of the tweak tactic ?

  32. Interestingly, with my Hull City team that has a goal of avoiding relegation in the Premier League, we are doing better with big teams than lesser teams with this tactic so far. We beat Chelsea and Arsenal - both of whom were huge favorites - yet we struggle with teams that are of lesser ability. No idea why.

  33. Sean, I noticed earlier that you posted some screenshots of players from your San Marino national team. How are they so good? They're one of the worst national teams going; is it a just luck that they managed to produce some decent players or is that down to something you're doing?

    EDIT: I assume it's because you've upgraded your youth academy over the years and the players coming through it are of San Marinese nationality even though you play in the Italian league (the same goes for Swansea producing Welsh players though they play in the English league).
    Last edited by Phil2; 23/05/2013 at 12:17 PM.

  34. What a brilliant in-depth blog. Top stars mate

  35. How on earth are people winning with this in their first season? I cannot buy a win and any time I'm ahead they immediately score. I've tried with both Newcastle and a couple of Lower League teams, and both times I'm mid table after a few games with like 4 wins out of 10.

    If you immediately start with zero fluidity in the tactic how are you fluid by the end of preseason? I just don't understand it, is this a second season tactic which you just have to get through the first season or is there something I'm missing?

  36. Where i can find tweaked tactic? Here is 121 page of replys,i dont want search page by page

  37. Quote Originally Posted by stormzy1 View Post
    Where i can find tweaked tactic? Here is 121 page of replys,i dont want search page by page
    Click here

  38. Quote Originally Posted by Revolve View Post
    How on earth are people winning with this in their first season? I cannot buy a win and any time I'm ahead they immediately score. I've tried with both Newcastle and a couple of Lower League teams, and both times I'm mid table after a few games with like 4 wins out of 10.

    If you immediately start with zero fluidity in the tactic how are you fluid by the end of preseason? I just don't understand it, is this a second season tactic which you just have to get through the first season or is there something I'm missing?
    If you are having trouble with getting any tactic fluid during the pre-season, read this:

    Pre-Season - Football Manager Guide to Team Management | Passion for Football Manager 2013

  39. I had a few minor problems with this tactic when I started using it, like others have described; I'd put a couple of decent results together (considering the squad I had) and then inexplicably lose 0-1 to Villa or something. Considering my team however, (I'm playing with Swansea), I was doing better than I had any right to.

    First season: 10th place finish.
    Second season: 7th place finish (got me in to Europe)
    Third season: 3rd place finish (won the Capital One Cup and the F.A. Cup which got me in the Champions League).
    Current season: It's February and I'm sitting in first place undefeated. I haven't lost since the pre-season which means I am still in every competition (including the Champions League).

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    I think the reason for the increases in performance is the emergence of my youth prospects. I've bought a few first-teamers over the years but never any big names; mostly people of reasonable ability for little money. This season though a few of last season's loaned players have broken in to the first team and I think that's the reason last year's stale games are being won this time around.

    I also treated pre-season differently this time. I read an article saying that your General Training actually has no bearing on match performance or anything like this. All it does (unless you set it to Team Cohesion) is give a priority to a certain set of stats in training. So setting it to Tactics for instance will cause the Anticipation, Composure, Concentration, Decisions and Teamwork stats of your players to increase more than they otherwise would. Therefore it has nothing at all to do with learning formations or playing well. Thus in pre-season I stick it on Team Cohesion and set it to very high intensity until my team-talk feedback reports say "the players would die for each other.

    Match Training on the other hand goes on Tactics Only (obviously) until the tactic is 100% fluid. To expedite this I change the scheduling so that Match Training takes up 50% of the training (i.e. the slider is all the way to the left). This gets the tactic learned as fast as possible. Once this has been achieved I stick it on Attacking Movement and take the slider down to three notches (20%).

    I suspect that it's a combination of this pre-season routine plus my new youth options which has seen the remarkable jump in quality. It certainly isn't big name signings (I don't have any).
    Last edited by TheBetterHalf; 25/05/2013 at 05:04 PM.

  40. For some reason this tactic seems to work miracles for my low to mid-table team (Hull, just promoted to Premier League) when playing top teams - e.g. I just beat Man U 2-1 and we outplayed them most of the match. But then I go into matches with teams we should beat and results tend to be average at best.

    I think I need a couple of backup tactics to swap between.

  41. This tactic is working wonderfully for me. I started with Ñuñorco, a very little team of the argentinian fifth division. We promoted two times in a row, and currently we are fighting for a play-off spot that can eventually give us the opportunity to reach second division. However, I think that if I had signed better players we would be far more confortable.
    What I like most of this tactic is that is not focused only in one player. The quantity of goals is spread among all the squad, with a great participation of the midfielders.

  42. what patch is this for? thx hope someone can help as its not working for me :/

  43. Quote Originally Posted by Drzzy View Post
    what patch is this for? thx hope someone can help as its not working for me :/
    I've been using it for 13.3.3. Results are in a screenshot above.

  44. Quote Originally Posted by Phil2 View Post
    I had a few minor problems with this tactic when I started using it, like others have described; I'd put a couple of decent results together (considering the squad I had) and then inexplicably lose 0-1 to Villa or something. Considering my team however, (I'm playing with Swansea), I was doing better than I had any right to.

    First season: 10th place finish.
    Second season: 7th place finish (got me in to Europe)
    Third season: 3rd place finish (won the Capital One Cup and the F.A. Cup which got me in the Champions League).
    Current season: It's February and I'm sitting in first place undefeated. I haven't lost since the pre-season which means I am still in every competition (including the Champions League).

    Fixtures

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    I think the reason for the increases in performance is the emergence of my youth prospects. I've bought a few first-teamers over the years but never any big names; mostly people of reasonable ability for little money. This season though a few of last season's loaned players have broken in to the first team and I think that's the reason last year's stale games are being won this time around.

    I also treated pre-season differently this time. I read an article saying that your General Training actually has no bearing on match performance or anything like this. All it does (unless you set it to Team Cohesion) is give a priority to a certain set of stats in training. So setting it to Tactics for instance will cause the Anticipation, Composure, Concentration, Decisions and Teamwork stats of your players to increase more than they otherwise would. Therefore it has nothing at all to do with learning formations or playing well. Thus in pre-season I stick it on Team Cohesion and set it to very high intensity until my team-talk feedback reports say "the players would die for each other.

    Match Training on the other hand goes on Tactics Only (obviously) until the tactic is 100% fluid. To expedite this I change the scheduling so that Match Training takes up 50% of the training (i.e. the slider is all the way to the left). This gets the tactic learned as fast as possible. Once this has been achieved I stick it on Attacking Movement and take the slider down to three notches (20%).

    I suspect that it's a combination of this pre-season routine plus my new youth options which has seen the remarkable jump in quality. It certainly isn't big name signings (I don't have any).

    How you detail your training is exactly how i set mine up pre season and i find that any tactics are learnt very quickly and team morale is very high very quickly.

    During the season the 'tactics' option in general training is actually rather useful with this tactic as it covers a lot of very important attributes. Another good one is 'fitness' which again covers some important attributes needed.

  45. What are the best players to use with this tactic? What's everyone's best lineup?

    Shaun

  46. @Shaun, what's your team mate?

    This is the best tactic in this year's game, imo. The more all-round and team players, the better tactic will work. I've only tested it with Liverpool and Spurs in full seasons with huge success (EPL & Europe League with Liverpool and quadruple winners with Spurs). Think in theirs squads and use the players in the best scenarios. I can't speak for underdog teams though but Seanhrfc has made both San Marino's squad the best in the world.

    For example, tough away matches use the more defensive and disciplined players. Examples: I use Sterling in the MR role in home games and for tough games I put there Henderson who has better defensive attributes; in Spurs I use Sandro and Holtby in DM role for "easy matches". In those tough matches I always use Sandro and Parker.

    But it was better if you could provide your squad

  47. I'm using spurs also. Just wondered what players to buy with a £50mil budget

  48. Which season and positions? From my experience, the more they play for the team the better. I've brought Simone Pepe from Juventus. He played in many positions and has high work rate and teamwork, leaving Bale on the bench for example. Milner is another great example.

    Spurs has already a great squad to play with this approach, unless you wanna replace someone or due to age.

  49. I've changed the complete forward in Pivot and Target it, In variated !

    7-0 against Arsenal with Tottenham with classic team ...

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    Last edited by Stevenel; 31/05/2013 at 12:30 AM.
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  50. hello, which PPMs would be important for this great tactic?

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