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Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs

  1. Quote Originally Posted by halidbeslic View Post
    hey sean... have u tried to remake tactic for FM14 beta? this is best tactic for FM 13,it gives me a lot of success with lower teams...
    Here : Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2 for FM14

  2. Quote Originally Posted by seanhrfc View Post
    It does work with network games, used it on a couple including Cardiff coming 2nd first season and winning it 2nd and 3rd season.
    i love your tac very...but there's a problem...i dont have enough money to buy some DMs and i have 6 CMs in my team...so i intent to raise those 2 DM positions to CM..and what shoud i do to it? just let 1 CM be d and 1 be automatic or what eles?

  3. I was a very bad boy.

    I currently have a save in 2022 with Bayern Munich (3rd season in Germany) and with a mix of knowing who is good in 2022 and lists i have seen of wonderkids, that mixed with the type of players that had the stats required in the OP. I used the FM Live Editor for a bit of fun and took the 1st top division club without a manager in the world and gave them a shit load of coinage.

    Basically, im messing about with newly promoted Charleroi in the Belgian Pro league. Havent bought any mega bucks signings. My biggest spend was 5 mil as i didnt want things to be so easy it was boring. Although i cant deny, it is higly amusing having a top wonderkid turn down Real Madrid for my team rofl. Altho abusing the world rep stats and having them maxed out kinda wins lol.

    I'd previously tried out several solid tactics in my FC Bayern Save like 2-3-2-2-1 Total football (link for it here incase your curious The big release! 2-3-2-2-1 Total football! ) which is just awesome for the amount of big you get and matches with 70% possesion. Also this one is pretty solid 2. After a few games on your tactic, theres a strong possibility its gonna make it to my top 3.

    Very good job sir

  4. Please reupload link

    Player Filters (Thanks to contribution from ZicoAC)

  5. Yep, this has definitly made it to my top 3, giving it a go with a weak team and started off jobless and have ended up with Oldham in League one. Will see how i get on. And yes, i havent bought fm2014 yet so im still playing this for now

  6. You, Sir, are a genius. im a big fan of 4-4-2 tactics and managed to create a pretty good one with 2 wingers (support, hugging line) and 2 CMs (defending). i won everything with big teams (r.madrid, man utd) but when i tried it with nuneaton and watford, it failed. so when i applied your tactic to man utd and r.madrid save and saw big difference from mine i decided to try it with west ham. i had a decent start. will post results after season finishes

  7. HI guys.
    Im using this tactic in FM 14 at patch 2.1.

    I keep conceding late goals & my players are constantly being sent off.

    Any ideas how to shore up my defence & stop the yellows/reds?

  8. Tactics the way i like them. A good solid base without over complicating things to specific players. I used the base of this tactic with Napoli, the only difference being i pulled 1 striker back and played 5 in midfield. Having Cavani in your team is enough up front and he thrives on his own rather. Also it allowed me to play Hamsik in his preferred attacking cm role.

    The formation gave me a solid defensive base. My first season I finished 2nd in the league to Juventus, won the Italian Cup, and won the Uefa Cup against Arsenal.

    Thanks.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by joselopezde View Post
    Please reupload link

    Player Filters (Thanks to contribution from ZicoAC)
    anyone?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by joselopezde View Post
    Please reupload link

    Quote Originally Posted by remember97 View Post
    anyone?
    here u go: http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/attac...hi-filters.zip

  11. does it suitable for national team?

  12. you need a big squad, due to the number of cards and suspensions

  13. First of all, I must say thanks and appreciations on an awesome tactic. I've tried many many tactics including Ovro's 3-6-1 and the top tactins in Mr Langvatn's thread but none come close to this tactic in terms of not just success but also in goals scored and defense.

    I've used this tactic on many saves, always bringing me awesome results. Previously I started with a strong team and bought lots of world class players but it got stale. In my latest save, I started unemployed and I got job with Freiburg. 1st season, with no signings, finished third! In my 5th season, 1 won the German League, the German Cup, the German Super Cup, and the CL all undefeated. YES, NOT A SINGLE DEFEAT! All with young player that I got at bargain prices that I developed using this tactic.

    Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-german-first-division_-overview-stages.pngC. Atl

    Thats for the results.

    What I really wanted to ask was, hypothetically and just in terms of FM 2013, could a different tactic with the same objectives be made. I mean, Arrigo Sacchi's 442 is about compressing the play and pressing high up the pitch with fast, attacking play. What if we say have a formation like 0-4-2-3-1 (see picture above), no defenders, WBs and DMs are the defense. Any ideas if it is workable or doable?
    Last edited by champion7891; 27/05/2014 at 04:57 PM.
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  14. This tactic is just amazing! I took over Cagliari and won the title in the first season!!! With kind of a crapy team( except Astori and Naingollan , wich are extremely good). Now, I am at the start of the 4-th season and I have a very good squad. I was champion 2 times in a row, finished on second place in the 3-rd season ( Juventus made incredible transfers... ) , won 3 times the Super Cup and in Italian Cup played 2 finals and woned one. In the Champions League, in the second season I finished second in the group and then got knocked out in the first match; in the 3-rd season, won the group and made it to quarterfinals, where lost to Utd on away goals. Quite amazing for Cagliari!!!
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by raresfarcas View Post
    This tactic is just amazing! I took over Cagliari and won the title in the first season!!! With kind of a crapy team( except Astori and Naingollan , wich are extremely good). Now, I am at the start of the 4-th season and I have a very good squad. I was champion 2 times in a row, finished on second place in the 3-rd season ( Juventus made incredible transfers... ) , won 3 times the Super Cup and in Italian Cup played 2 finals and woned one. In the Champions League, in the second season I finished second in the group and then got knocked out in the first match; in the 3-rd season, won the group and made it to quarterfinals, where lost to Utd on away goals. Quite amazing for Cagliari!!!
    Yep, after Freiburg I went to Athletico Madrid...3rd season unbeaten 35 wins 3 draws, 4th season 37 wins 1 loss, back to back CL wins

  16. Hi champion7891,

    I was wondering if u use opposition instructions or not?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by champion7891 View Post
    Yep, after Freiburg I went to Athletico Madrid...3rd season unbeaten 35 wins 3 draws, 4th season 37 wins 1 loss, back to back CL wins
    Yea I agree, this is the best underdog tactic I have tried, you can use very young talent teenagers and succeed.

    Champion7891 I have a save where I still use this tactic along with my own that I have posted in another thread, but what I'm interested in is to see your players if you are up for pasting your line up for inspiration. Alt+F9 it would be really cool to see also what match preparation do you use in this tactic?

  18. Amazing how this tactic is over 1 year old and still probably the strongest underdog tactic. I tweaked the set pieces and the defence setting a tiny bit so little that its not worth posting in the tweak thread of this tactic, so I hope its ok that I post it here otherwise please remove.

    Glorious Success with Brondby IF (Danish team) Original Tactic no Tweaks:
    Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-br%C3%B8ndby-if-v-man-utd_-untitled-post-match.png

    Results AC Milan:
    Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-.c.-milan-v-juventus_-overview-overview.png Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-.c.-milan-v-cfr-cluj_-overview-overview.png Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-siena-v-.c.-milan_-overview-overview.png

    Tactic/Training/Setpiece:
    Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-.c.-milan_-tactics-overview.png Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-.c.-milan_-tactics-set-pieces.png Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-.c.-milan_-training-team.png

    Download Arrigo Sacchi 4-4-2 Corner & Defence tweak HERE
    Last edited by jesaustralia; 27/06/2014 at 04:38 PM.

  19. Do you think that is better now with the tweacks Jesusaustralia?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Aztec267 View Post
    Do you think that is better now with the tweacks Jesusaustralia?
    Hey Aztec, i doubt not about this tactic but about your gateofhades tactic. When do you change to control strategy ?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Aztec267 View Post
    Do you think that is better now with the tweacks Jesusaustralia?
    Its almost not a tweak, well the setpiece instructions by itself I use in every tactic created by me or someone else becourse with the CD'L you can get alot of goals with it on corners, early in my save I had a defender score around 25 goals in a season with that corner strategy, but the changes in defence is probably better becourse ballplaying defenders is harder to come by and due to the offsidetrap being utilized in this tactic I made a pairing of a normal defender and a stopper which means he will meet the ball early instead of late. I read that its good to have atleast 1 CD defend, but I decided with 2 where i made 1 a stopper.

    Had I made the stopper a cover defender instead their would be no point in playing the offside trap, so I decided to reverse it.
    Is it better hmmmm, I don't know when I have played 15-20 matches I'll let you know. However I do think that the results shown so far seems promising, I'm certain that the corner kick strategy is better, so with that being said then it is already better. If you don't want to use my defence tweak you can always just change the original Arrigo Sacchi set piece setup

    Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-.c.-milan_-tactics-set-pieces.png

  22. Quote Originally Posted by jesaustralia View Post
    Yea I agree, this is the best underdog tactic I have tried, you can use very young talent teenagers and succeed.

    Champion7891 I have a save where I still use this tactic along with my own that I have posted in another thread, but what I'm interested in is to see your players if you are up for pasting your line up for inspiration. Alt+F9 it would be really cool to see also what match preparation do you use in this tactic?
    Hey sorry I can't really paste the screenshots as I overwrite my old saves. But those players become really good. You could say that I start with underdog teams, but a lot of high potential players, and within 4 years I probably have the best team in the league or even the continent. Think about FBs with 18 Pace, Acc, Dribb, Crossing, and 15+ team work, work rate ,determination stamina. Similarly strikers with 18 finishing, first touch dribbling. So you can say Messi'esque players.

    Here, I've pasted the result of my last two seaons at Athletico before I moved on (it gets boring always winning). No save scumming.

    Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-liga-bbva_-overview-stages-2.pngArrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-liga-bbva_-overview-stages-3.pngArrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-liga-bbva_-overview-stages-4.pngArrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-liga-bbva_-overview-stages-5.png

    As you can see, I've progressed really well with almost the same group of players getting better each year. Last two years won everything including back to back CLs. In fact, after I left Athletico, they won the league the next 4 seasons with new AI manager (but with points in 90's) and 2 CL's in 3 years
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Saampje17 View Post
    Hi champion7891,

    I was wondering if u use opposition instructions or not?
    Assisstant manager does that

  24. Quote Originally Posted by jesaustralia View Post
    Yea I agree, this is the best underdog tactic I have tried, you can use very young talent teenagers and succeed.

    Champion7891 I have a save where I still use this tactic along with my own that I have posted in another thread, but what I'm interested in is to see your players if you are up for pasting your line up for inspiration. Alt+F9 it would be really cool to see also what match preparation do you use in this tactic?
    Here are some of the players that I played with. But they are older now with much different physical stats and even techincally they are weaker probbaly because AI didn;t manage them well. But when I managed them they were beasts:

    Arrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-%C3%82ngelo-esmael_-overview-profile.pngArrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-sven-klaverweide_-overview-profile.pngArrigo Sacchi's 4-4-2: High Pressure, Attacking Tactic for Top Teams and Underdogs-michael-br%C3%A6ndgaard_-overview-profile.png

    Match preparation/training: Balanced at high with rest after match. and Defensive positioning at 30% (means that its prepared on day before match and match day
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by champion7891 View Post
    Here are some of the players that I played with. But they are older now with much different physical stats and even techincally they are weaker probbaly because AI didn;t manage them well. But when I managed them they were beasts:

    Attachment 622510Attachment 622512Attachment 622515

    Match preparation/training: Balanced at high with rest after match. and Defensive positioning at 30% (means that its prepared on day before match and match day
    Gorgeus results with Athlectico and the players are amazing as well, I wouldn't mind having The fullback Michael Braendgaard
    The player Esmael don't you retrain his position so he become atleast competent as a defensive midfielder?

  26. Gayle4orce
    Amateur
    Great formation.

    I am on my 3rd season now with Arsenal, very solid with my last resuly of 9-0 in CL its safe to say that the formation is fully kicked in lol.

    My DM's
    Lars Bender
    Eteine Coupe

    BEASTS

    Wingers seem to score a lot too.

    Wanna try this with a lower team.

  27. Isit vital to follow players guides, training etc for this to work?

  28. Quote Originally Posted by nickizzard View Post
    Isit vital to follow players guides, training etc for this to work?
    it helps a lot. The core/base attributes are really important. Teamwork, workrate, determination, stamina, composure and decisions. for me though ive found that teamwork and worktrate are the most important if all your 10 outfield players have like 15+ you will be really competitive. Although if 1 or 2 dont but your overall team is strong, I think you should be fine.

    You should definitely use defensive positioning once you are fluid with the tactic.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by champion7891 View Post
    it helps a lot. The core/base attributes are really important. Teamwork, workrate, determination, stamina, composure and decisions. for me though ive found that teamwork and worktrate are the most important if all your 10 outfield players have like 15+ you will be really competitive. Although if 1 or 2 dont but your overall team is strong, I think you should be fine.

    You should definitely use defensive positioning once you are fluid with the tactic.
    there is problem with link you can download

    after you zip rar

    but when i try in the game it s says it s impossible to create

    what s happen ?

  30. Quote Originally Posted by vintage75020 View Post
    there is problem with link you can download

    after you zip rar

    but when i try in the game it s says it s impossible to create

    what s happen ?
    sorry dont get you. if you are asking for th tactic, its at the bottom of the first post on the first page of this thread. its a .tac files, place it in your tactics folder

  31. Struggling with away games. I'm Aston villa first season. Any help will be greatful

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