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  1. Manchester United 4-3-3

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    Here is my Alex Ferguson Tactic.

    Once again i made no additions to my squad. This is the default squad. I believe adding to a squad when testing a tactic is kinda cheating (my own view). Even tho i bought Drogba in jan on my other liverpool save i never used him in league games.

    Once again all training was left to default (Same as when game is first loaded). Only team talk i use is the calm- relax option.
    I leave settings the same so every tactic i create and test keeep the same variables.
    I believe with better training and good choice of match prep you could get greater results from this tactic then i did!

    This is a pure Plug and Play tactic. No Shouts. No opposition instructions

    Formation:
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    Here is the league:

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    Season Overview:
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    Cherry picked Fixture overviews :
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    Hope you Enjoy... ps This tactic is made for Manchester United. Please use it for them!

    Please download and Enjoy:

    Alex Ferguson Tactic 4-3-3

  2. I hope you have success with this tactic, i'm a huge man utd fan and the formation they used this season is a 4-2-3-1 with wingers not a 4-5-1

  3. I suppose carrick isn't a dm in real life then? They constantly change formation all the time mate... multiple times even in game. Try the Tactic out. If you don't think it plays like the real Man U i'l be surprised.

  4. this season man utd played 4-2-3-1 25 times, 4-4-2 5 times, 4-4-1-1 3 times, 4-1-2-1-2 once and 4-3-3 once

  5. Quote Originally Posted by richy25 View Post
    this season man utd played 4-2-3-1 25 times, 4-4-2 5 times, 4-4-1-1 3 times, 4-1-2-1-2 once and 4-3-3 once
    Double checked with my mate who is a professional analyst with Swansea .
    His data analysis on Man Utd for his research project included average position of players on pitch.
    Guess what Carrick plays significantly deeper than his midfield counter parts.... therefore man u have never played 4-2-3-1, more like 4-1-1-3-1.


    Any way lets not be pedantic about it......
    In my tactic during games the Right CM drifts forward and usually ends up just behind the striker...

    And lets face it formations nowadays are only used for broadcast televisions. Player roles and positions are far to complex to funnel into one place.

    Don't wanna sound like a prick but you were quite sure it was 4-2-3-1 when a dm clearly exists through hard evidence.

    Therefore the 4-2-3-1 has never been played by man u this season.
    Last edited by Mugatu; 03/05/2013 at 09:37 PM.

  6. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
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    #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Mugatu View Post
    Double checked with my mate who is a professional analyst with Swansea .
    His data analysis on Man Utd for his research project included average position of players on pitch.
    Guess what Carrick plays significantly deeper than his midfield counter parts.... therefore man u have never played 4-2-3-1, more like 4-1-1-3-1.


    Any way lets not be pedantic about it......
    In my tactic during games the Right CM drifts forward and usually ends up just behind the striker...

    And lets face it formations nowadays are only used for broadcast televisions. Player roles and positions are far to complex to funnel into one place.

    Don't wanna sound like a prick but you were quite sure it was 4-2-3-1 when a dm clearly exists through hard evidence.

    Therefore the 4-2-3-1 has never been played by man u this season.
    It's a 4-2-3-1, but in attack Carrick sits while his partner makes vertical runs.

    But the shape is a 4-2-3-1, or a 4-4-1-1 when the wide players collapse back into medium block
    Last edited by Mike.; 03/05/2013 at 10:19 PM.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    It's a 4-2-3-1, but in attack Carrick sits while his partner makes vertical runs.

    But the shape is a 4-2-3-1, or a 4-4-1-1 when the wide players collapse back into medium block
    Lets agree to disagree. Everyone has an opinion.
    Mine is based on the fact that on AVERAGE Carrick plays deeper.......
    Therefore the MAJORITY of the time the shape is 4-1-1-3-1.

    So just like you i'l make a SWEEPING statement that it's 4-1-1-3-1!

    The truth is we both now the formation constantly changes and if we are going to give it a shape surely we would use the shape the team is in the MAJORITY of the time no?

    Would be like me calling Barcelona a 8-1-1 cause they spent 1% of the game in that formation.

    See where i am coming from...

  8. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
    Manchester United Super Moderator
    #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Mugatu View Post
    Lets agree to disagree. Everyone has an opinion.
    Mine is based on the fact that on AVERAGE Carrick plays deeper.......
    Therefore the MAJORITY of the time the shape is 4-1-1-3-1.

    So just like you i'l make a SWEEPING statement that it's 4-1-1-3-1!

    The truth is we both now the formation constantly changes and if we are going to give it a shape surely we would use the shape the team is in the MAJORITY of the time no?

    Would be like me calling Barcelona a 8-1-1 cause they spent 1% of the game in that formation.

    See where i am coming from...
    All shapes are fluid, none of that stops the fact that United's starting shape is a 4-2-3-1. In which Carrick's midfield partner makes more vertical movement in game than Carrick. Average position is an average of their most advanced and most defensive movements, not where they stand the most

    You dont use the fluid shape, because the fluid shape can be anything based on the opposition. If you were to ask SAF what we play, its a 4-2-3-1. If you ask any correspondents about the shape its a 4-2-3-1.

    You would never say barcelona's formation is a 2-3-5 for example. It's a 4-3-3
    Last edited by Mike.; 03/05/2013 at 10:25 PM.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    You would never say barcelona's formation is a 2-3-5 for example.
    Ahh the 2-3-5. Is there an FM 1920 available we could play?
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    All shapes are fluid, none of that stops the fact that United's starting shape is a 4-2-3-1. In which Carrick's midfield partner makes more vertical movement in game than Carrick. Average position is an average of their most advanced and most defensive movements, not where they stand the most

    You dont use the fluid shape, because the fluid shape can be anything based on the opposition. If you were to ask SAF what we play, its a 4-2-3-1. If you ask any correspondents about the shape its a 4-2-3-1.

    You would never say barcelona's formation is a 2-3-5 for example. It's a 4-3-3
    But now your dealing with opinion not fact...
    Fact is SAF would spare you the trouble of explaining his true shape and say 4-2-3-1 but i bet you he yaps on to carrick in person to hold deep the majority of the time to provide cover for his defense.
    Average position is not a simple equation of 1(most advanced position found) + 2(most defensive position found) divided by 2....
    Each player in the analyzing programe is coded and position is then generated from total movement. That average position is obv different for every game so each average position is added together an divided by the number of games to give a true indication of position.
    Obv variables such as player personal, pitch size and time played play a factor.

    As i said everyone has an opinion on formation and what it is

    Mine is that formation is represented by average position statistical information.
    Yours is based on an speculation and opinion.
    SAF could say his starting formation is 4-2-3-1 and easily play as a 4-3-2-1 for the first 5mins of a game.

    All in all who cares....
    and i could have easily said last year that Barca played a 3-4-3 not a 4-3-3.

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