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Mr Langvatn's Tactic Thread (Updated for 13.3.3)

  1. Mr Langvatn's Tactic Thread


    Update 26.10.2014!!!!


    OMG, I just outdid myself by a mile............... (New tactic which is so HIGH SCORING that even grandma would enjoy FM)

    Look here: WOOOW - By Mr L



    Update 26.10.2014: Me and Jesaustralia have just finished our big test of all my tactics (including the new ones): Comprehensive Test Of Mr L's Tactics - (including his new ones)

    Update 21.10.2014: Deep Purple 4-3-3, 4-3-2-1 and 4-3-1-2 edition added.

    After extensive tweaking, I've finally made the 4-2-3-1 Deep Purple work with three AMC's instead of AML, AMC and AMR. Who haven't dreamed about a working three AMC tactic? Well, here you have it:
    4-2-3-1 Deep Purple AMC edition with OI's

    Added a 3-5-2 version of the Solid Highscore tactic: 3-5-2 Solid Highscore
    I use this tactic away and the 3-4-3 at home, but both this and the 3-4-3 work alone too

    Also added an asymmetrical version of the Deep Purple tactic:
    Deep Purple Asymmetrical


    Update 19.10.2014:
    Last five days I've been working on yet another tactic for FM13. I miss the old 2-5-3 angels v2 tactic because I just love having three strikers, but I didn't feel it was competitive enough against my other recently made tactics. So I have now made a highly competitive three-striker tactic. I am sure many of you will love it

    Here it is: Mr Langvatn feat
    Jesaustralia 3-4-3 Solid Highscore



    Update 14.10.2014:

    I have been working on a new tactic, a deep 4-2-3-1, and now it is finally complete. It is insanely high scoring. Perhaps the highest scoring tactic it is possible to make. I urge you to try this tactic. It is my new favorite tactic by far!
    Here it is: Mr Langvatn 4-2-3-1 Deep Purple


    Play FM13 with teams/players like in FM14:
    LFCMarshall's Summer Update Suggestion Thread

    Vote for your favourite tactic: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/H7TP7ZK
    Results from poll:

    1.
    4-5-1 Rock Tripletweak (Jassar/Malte/Mr L) 39,6%
    2. 4-1-4-1 Rock Classic 31,3%
    3. 4-4-2 Rock Tripletweak (Jassar/Malte/Mr L) 12,5%
    4. 2-5-3 Angels V2 9,4%
    5. 4-1-3-2 Queen's Gambit 3,1%
    6. 4-1-3-1-1 Degeneration X 2,1%
    7. 2-7-1 Sicilian Rock Mix 2,1%
    8. 3-6-1 Sicilian Defense 0,0%

    Update 04.09.2013: Uploaded Rock Revisited by Malte (Great tactic, Deep 4-4-2)

    Update 30.08.2013: I have now started on my masters programme, so you guys have to help each other out most of the time from here on

    The "best" tactic according to the latest test: 4-5-1 Rock Tripletweaked (Jassar, Malte, Mr L)

    My personal favourite: 2-5-3 Angels V2
    (I love having 3 strikers that all score evenly much)

    Update 26.08.2013


    Best overall tactic in the test: 4-5-1 Rock Tripletweaked (23-3-2)

    Best Home tactic in the test: 4-5-1 Rock Tripletweaked (14-0-0) /
    Rock 4-4-2 Jassar/Malte tweak (14-0-0)

    Best Away tactic in the test:
    4-4-2 Rock Tripletweaked (10-4-0)


    Doing a new tactic test, where I test all the tactics one by one, only against the computer, and only against 100% equal teams.

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    TACTIC POINTS W/D/L GOAL DIFF. TABLE
    2-5-3 Angels V2 59 17/8/3 +37 Mr Langvatn's Tactic Thread (Updated for 13.3.3)-tactic-testing-league_-overview-stages-2.png
    2-7-1 Sicilian Rock Mix 68 20/8/0 +44 Mr Langvatn's Tactic Thread (Updated for 13.3.3)-tactic-testing-league_-overview-stages.png
    2-7-1 Defensive Sicilian Rock Mix 59 18/5/5 +35 Mr Langvatn's Tactic Thread (Updated for 13.3.3)-tactic-testing-league_-overview-stages.png
    3-6-1 Sicilian Defense
    4-1-4-1 Rock Classic 48 13/9/6 +22 Mr Langvatn's Tactic Thread (Updated for 13.3.3)-tactic-testing-league_-overview-stages.png
    4-1-3-1-1 Degeneration X
    4-4-2 Rock Jassar and Malte Tweak 66 21/3/4 +54 Mr Langvatn's Tactic Thread (Updated for 13.3.3)-tactic-testing-league_-overview-stages.png
    4-1-2-2-1 Rock Jassar Tweak
    4-1-3-2 Queen's Gambit
    4-5-1 Rock Tripletweak (Jassar/Malte/Mr L) 72 23/3/2 +55 Mr Langvatn's Tactic Thread (Updated for 13.3.3)-tactic-testing-league_-overview-stages-4.png
    4-4-2 Rock Tripletweak (Jassar/Malte/Mr L) 71 22/5/1 +54 Mr Langvatn's Tactic Thread (Updated for 13.3.3)-tactic-testing-league_-overview-stages-2.png
    4-4-2 Angels V2


    Update 24.08.2013


    Added a tripleweak of the Rock in a 4-5-1, it did even better than the 4-4-2!

    Added a tripletweak of the Rock 4-4-2. It did immense in the test above

    Added Jassar and Malte's tweak of the Rock, as I think it's really good! (4-4-2)

    Added a defensive version of the 2-7-1 Sicilian Rock Mix! See results in test #3


    Update 22.08.2013:
    New tactic: 2-7-1 Sicilian Rock Mix! High scoring stuff! Check results from top team test #2!

    Vote for your favourite tactician this year:
    http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/footb...ear%5E*-4.html


    Update 09.08.2013: Those of you who have had big success using the 4-1-4-1 Rock Classic, 3-6-1 Sicilian Defense and the 2-5-3 Angels V2, please help other users out with information about players who perform well in them:
    Best players for tactical classic rock 4141 - 361 Defense - 253 v2 Angels M.LANGVATN

    Update 07.08.2013: New tactic tests are on the way. One format where the teams I manage have players with 14 in all stats and 10.000 reputation (top team test), and one format where teams have players with 10 in all stats and 5.000 reputation (underdog test).

    Results from top team test #1 (Finished 11.08.2013):

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    Results from top team test #2 (Finished 22.08.2013):

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    Results from top team test #3 (Finished 24.08.2013):

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    Results from underdog test (Finished 17.08.2013):

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    Update 31.07.2013: I've uploaded a new tactic, 4-1-3-2 Queen's Gambit! I've tested it against the Rock Classic in a league derby match between Manchester United and Manchester City (Played the same match 10 times):

    Tactic Matches Shots Diff. On Target
    Diff.
    Clear Cuts
    Diff.
    W/D/L Goal Diff.
    Queen’s Gambit 10 120 - 61 70 - 27 24 - 6 7/3/0 26 - 5
    Rock Classic 10 108 - 64 48 - 27 11 - 5 4/5/1 13 - 7

    Update 06.06: I am currently testing many of my tactics in a "Liverpool template game". I will also test a lot of other popular tactics on FM-base for reference. All tactics will then be tested against the same teams in the same order, with the same team. I will be going on vacation BETWEEN the matches, so there will be zero man management. I will upload the Premier Division Table here when I'm done Be patient


    Keep in mind that some of the tactics might perform better with all the "right" player types. This will just be a "plug and play" test.

    Also, keep in mind that the results does not prove that one tactic is better than another, as I have only tested with one team, and only for 20 matches each tactic. (It is hugely time consuming...)

    Results from the tactic testing so far:


    TACTIC MATCHES POINTS GOALS SCORED GOALS CONC. CORNER GOALS
    2-5-3 DDDMC Angels 20 53 46 22 3
    4-3-3 DDDMC Angels 20 52 49 17 7
    4-1-4-1 Rock Classic 20 51 45 15 7
    3-6-1 Sicilian Defense 20 51 33 8 1
    KISS Corners (matte tweak v2) (Modern Warfare based) 20 47 49 23 5
    4-1-4-1 Rock 20 46 43 18 2
    4-1-4-1 Rock Classic TC (W4NKER tweak) 20 45 40 12 6
    4-1-3-1-1 Degeneration X 20 44 39 17 5
    4-4-2 Arrigo Sacchi 20 44 41 22 5
    Gonzo11's The Godfather Classic 4-4-2 20 42 40 17 4
    Nezza's 3-3-3-1 updated 20 41 32 14 5
    4-3-3 Frank De Boer (2.0) 20 41 37 24 3
    4-4-2 Gung Ho Classic Edition 20 39 42 31 7
    4-1-3-2 Gung Ho 20 38 34 14 4
    4-3-2-1 Zenith By Qetesh 20 38 37 25 5
    Supermatt’s Bandit Reborn 20 36 26 25 3
    Pentor’s Total Evolution 20 33 29 21 4


    1. Always give your team high bonuses in the competitions you want to do good in...

    2. Keep your players happy. In this year's FM, this has a MUCH bigger impact than in previous editions.

    3. Players: See the different roles

    4. Match prep: Defensive positioning or Attacking movement (Your choice)

    5. Team Talk: Been using assistant manager to do that

    6. No opposition instructions



    Suggested training


    Mr Langvatn's Tactic Thread (Updated for 13.3.3)-cardiff-city_-training-individual.pngMr Langvatn's Tactic Thread (Updated for 13.3.3)-cardiff-city_-training-team-2.png

    Tactics training – Low
    Match prep 40% – Attacking movement
    Individual training – Heavy

    4-5-1 Rock Tripletweak:

    DC= Central Defender
    DL/DR= Fullbacks
    DMC= Central Midfielder/Box to box (cm training if he has lower than 10/10 mark/tack)
    ML/MR= Wingers
    ST= Complete Forward

    4-1-4-1Rock Classic DC= Central Defender
    DL/DR= Fullbacks
    DMC= Central Midfielder
    MC= Box to Box
    ML/MR= Wingers
    ST= Complete Forward
    3-6-1 Sicilian Defense DC= Central Defender
    WBR/WBL= Wingbacks
    DMC= Central Midfielder
    CM= Box to Box
    ML/MR= Winger
    ST= Complete Forward
    4-1-3-2 Queen’s Gambit DC= Central Defender
    DL/DR= Fullbacks
    DMC= Central Midfielder
    CM= Box to Box
    STCR/STCL= Advanced Forward
    2-5-3 Angels V2 DC= Central Defender
    WBR/WBL= Wingbacks
    DMC= Central Midfielder
    DMCR/DMCL= Box to Box
    All ST= Advanced Forward
    2-7-1 Sicilian Rock Mix DC= Central Defender
    WBL/WBR= Wingbacks
    DMC= Central Midfielder
    MC= Box to Box
    ML/MR= Wingers
    ST= Complete Forward

    For those of you wanting to know more about training, please read here before asking me:
    TRAINING GUIDE


    k3zz4's training tips to get 100% fluid tactic before season starts:

    Pre season tips to get 100% fluid before start of season:
    - Put the tactic in the 3 slots.
    - Training: Cohesion en very heavy
    - Trainingbar completely at the left (so 50%/50% training)
    - Match prep: Tactic only. And rest after game ticked only.
    - Arrange at least 10 friendly's. Against harder teams tactic becomes faster fluid BUT morale can go down
    so best is to like 3 easy friendly's , 4 hard friendly's and then 3 easy friendly's so morale is high enough


    Remember that when using plug and play tactics in FM, success is only 50% about the tactic. The other 50% goes into man management, training and player purchases!

    Please post your results and feedback, so I can keep improving (Please only whole seasons, as RNG can be a huge factor in singular matches)
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    Last edited by Mr Langvatn; 28/10/2014 at 01:02 PM.
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  2. test with MU

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    I continue tonight
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Emmanuel Gadioux View Post
    test with MU

    Attachment 341013Attachment 341014

    I continue tonight
    Looking good! Thanks for posting and keep me updated

    edit: omfg Just saw the results... That is freakin wild... 7-1 win against Chelsea?
    Last edited by Mr Langvatn; 13/05/2013 at 08:39 AM.

  4. I really think flat 442 is the best formation in this years edition. Both very solid and very fluid upfront.

    Gonna give it a go when i come back home

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  5. Quote Originally Posted by silverya View Post
    I really think flat 442 is the best formation in this years edition. Both very solid and very fluid upfront.

    Gonna give it a go when i come back home

    Envoyé depuis mon GT-I9300 avec Tapatalk
    +1
    tested million formations and this one is more effective.
    testing with MUFC also. till now good results.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Mr Langvatn View Post
    Looking good! Thanks for posting and keep me updated

    edit: omfg Just saw the results... That is freakin wild... 7-1 win against Chelsea?
    in my save a won vs Chelsea 3:0, but 27-2 in shots.
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  7. i see alot of red cards. 6 in half season.

  8. How important would you say the swapping of the wingers are, and if very important why?

  9. You, Sir are a god. Been using your 4411 underdog beast and dominatrix tactics (tweaked both) to great efffect since forever.

    Gave a shout out for you in my thread MANUMAD's BOX OF SWEETS.

    Ill deffo be seeing what you ve done here.

    PS: Have you been getting any sleep with the baby?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by wiizzi View Post
    i see alot of red cards. 6 in half season.
    Which player? Random ones or from a certain position every time?

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