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  1. Zorak's Brave New World, 4-2-3-1. Wycombe win Premiership with 101 points.

    Zorak’s Brave New World, 4-2-3-1. Wycombe win Premiership with 101 points.

    Before we begin, this is not the tactic that I took Wycombe up through the divisions with, it is merely the tactic I have used for my current season that has brought about my best success in the Premiership so far. I would never use this tactic for Wycombe before I was able to adequately strengthen with quality. That being said, my current Wycombe team is never predicted to finish above third, usually fourth or fifth; and the team that performed so admirably this season had lost the top scorer and two top assisters from the season previous. So, it is not the strongest side I have possessed in the last few seasons, but it is the one that has performed the best, which I believe is the sign of a working strategy.

    The Tactic, The Philosophy:

    The philosophy of Brave New World is, at its core, is to play football in an adaptive and assertive fashion. It aims to take games by the scruff of the neck and establish leads through quick back-to-front football. Then sit back and invite teams to expand and leave gaps to be exploited.
    The adaptive element of BNW is mastered through a number of shouts (that I will detail later) that allow a manager to not just react to tactical threats, but create their own. The assertive side of BNW stems from the emphasis of playing the game in the opponents half, with the Attacking Midfield providing a physical, driving influence through the opposition ranks. This is not a patient, probing exercise in ball retention. BNW encourages and implores adventurous players to force their way between defenders, through skill and physicality in equal parts. To describe it in another fashion, this tactic would take Fellaini, Ronaldo and Hulk over Iniesta, Fabregas and Silva.

    Results, Tables, Analysis, Players used, etc.



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    Note here the way play is focused in the opposing half, no faffing about in our own half.

    Shouts: (SET THESE UP AND USE THEM, THIS TACTIC HAS MANY OPTIONS LEFT UNTICKED TO MAXIMISE THE EFFECT OF MULTIPLE SHOUTS)






    The shouts are setup to control and react to games and what unfolds.
    Possess is a possession based collection of shouts that will conserve energy and encourage ball retention in the name of defence, not attack.
    AlloutAttack will push the whole team further forward, widen the play, quicken the tempo and encourage more freedom. Will turn an already positive tactic into an almost foolhardy one. But goals are almost inevitable when using this.
    DefDefDef is the opposite. The team will drop way back and stop pressing and try and keep shape. Actually a very good shout to use to ride out storms or lull opposition.
    Counter will drop the team deeper, but aim to get the ball up the field quicker using the flanks and the pace of the attacking midfielders to advantage. Will catch all teams out.
    PassMove encourages an expansive passing approach to breaking opposition down, if you find in a game passing is proving more effective than dribbling.


    Recommended player types:


    Goalkeeper:
    A sweeper keeper would be nice, but any solid keeper should do.

    Full-backs
    : Defensively solid, adequate in supporting attacks. Usually full-backs are the most important element of my strategies, but not here.
    Primary stats: Positioning, tackling, Marking, teamwork
    Secondary stats: crossing, passing, heading, jumping, stamina, pace\acceleration, Dribbling
    PPM’s: Any personal preference. I have had great success using a right footed left back and vice versa with “Cut Inside”
    Elite example: Ivanovic, Zabaleta
    Budget example: Courtney Meppen-Walters, Marnick Vermijl

    Centre-backs:
    No ball players here needed, they should be good all-rounders, or excel in a few areas.
    Primary stats: Positioning, tackling, marking, heading, jumping, concentration
    Secondary stats: teamwork, composure, anticipation, acceleration
    PPM’S: Stays on feet, marks opponents tightly.
    Elite example: Kompany, Nastajic, Vidic plenty to choose from
    Lower –league example: Gary Doherty, Nicolo Cherubin

    CM-Def:
    The ball winner.
    Primary stats: tackling, aggression, marking, positioning, anticipation, pace\acceleration
    Secondary stats: passing, teamwork, stamina, strength
    PPM’s: Stays on feet, marks opponents tightly, plays short simple passes (if they’re not great passer)
    Elite example: M’vila
    Lower –league example: Jason Lowe, Matt Spring, Matt Bloomfield, Stuart Lewis

    DLP:
    The deepest member of the midfield, pulling springs and spraying passes while offering defensive solidarity
    Primary stats: passing, creativity, positioning, teamwork
    Secondary stats: composure, first touch, tackling, marking
    PPM’s: Comes deep to get ball, Dictates tempo, tries killer balls, tries long range passes
    Elite example: Alonso
    Lower –league example: Jurgen Prutsch, Raphael Holzhauser

    Wingers L&R:
    Not out and out wingers in the traditional sense, but more like attacking midfielders, moving into channels and beyond the front man, they will both drive at the defence towards goal and towards the byline to cross.
    Primary stats: dribbling, acceleration/pace, passing, finishing, composure
    Secondary stats: strength, crossing, creativity, flair, off the ball
    PPM’s: Moves into channels, gets forward
    Elite example: Hulk, Bale
    Lower –league example: Shaun Batt, Joel Grant

    Attacking Midfield:
    This is the main man of the tactic. He should be your best player. He will score goals using a direct approach. No diminutive intelligent playmakers here. This guy is just fast, powerful and a dribbling machine, any more is a bonus.
    Primary stats: dribbling, acceleration/pace, passing, finishing, composure, flair
    Secondary stats: strength , creativity, off the ball
    PPM’s: Runs with ball through centre, gets forward, arrives late, knocks ball past opponent
    Elite example: Bale, Goetze, Wilshere
    Lower –league example: Ross Barkley

    Striker: I use a DLP on attack, but have alternated between Poacher and advanced forward too, doesn’t seem to make too much difference. So any good forward should do. I used a decidedly average front man this season (2.5 stars) and he scored 20 league goals.


    Final words and advice:

    Set up the shouts as I have suggested, I generally use my Counter shouts after going 2 goals ahead, and against strong opposition I might use it from the start. Possess will attempt to choke the life out of the game by playing safe and holding onto the ball, a good tactic to see out games in a more measured fashion. The important part to using these shouts is sensing when to use them, sometimes you can tell from the way play is going whether it's worth adopting a different approach for 15 minutes to ride out some pressure. Sometimes the best defence isn't using Counter or DefDefDef, but getting on the front foot and forcing the game back in your favour.
    Attached Files

  2. looks good!

  3. cool tactic

  4. Nice tactic ill give it a go

  5. In 2023 you have just pure regens players ... Easy to have great results !
    Have to try it with middle team in 2013 to see the efficiency of this tactic

    I just ask myself about the Pushed-up defensive line and No Offside played ... Why ?

    Good job by the way !

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Stevenel View Post
    In 2023 you have just pure regens players ... Easy to have great results !
    Have to try it with middle team in 2013 to see the efficiency of this tactic

    I just ask myself about the Pushed-up defensive line and No Offside played ... Why ?

    Good job by the way !
    Yeah, that's a problem with FM, but I don't go crazy and buy the best regens all the time. Most of my regens are pretty rubbish actually. And the good ones leave after a few seasons because I have no wage budget.

    As to the offside: I don't play offside. It doesn't work as far as I am concerned. I have played football manager for many, many years, and since the Match Engine was introduced (in cm4 or whatever it was) I have never actually seen a player or set of players drop deep, then quickly push up to rejoin the line and catch a striker off-side like in real-life. Any offsides that happen are due to an overzealous striker running before the pass comes through, and you don't need an offside trap for that. IMO, a highish line does that fine already.
    I don't believe in exploiting the match engine, but neither do I believe in being held captive to its inadequacies.

    I have an Arsenal save as well in 2014, and this tactic I've briefly used and it's done well, perhaps I'll do more expansive testing soon.
    Last edited by zorak1; 08/06/2013 at 04:31 PM.

  7. I will try it without the shouts, as they just ruin every tactic tbh
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by dooley93lfc View Post
    I will try it without the shouts, as they just ruin every tactic tbh
    If you understand exactly how the Tactic Creator tactics work, and how shouts effect the strategy, shouts will help and not hinder tactics. They encourage a greater tactical awareness in match.
    People have been fighting against shouts and the tactic creator, but it's time to work with it, not against it.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by zorak1 View Post
    If you understand exactly how the Tactic Creator tactics work, and how shouts effect the strategy, shouts will help and not hinder tactics. They encourage a greater tactical awareness in match.
    People have been fighting against shouts and the tactic creator, but it's time to work with it, not against it.
    it isnt just that, it wastes so much time just have keep selecting your shouts every game, becomes boring and pointless
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  10. @dooley93lfc, you can pre-select them in tactics screen. Then you just modify to what you think it is better in the game.

    Zorak is absolutely right. From my experience, playing with shouts can make your team play exactly how you want. And you have lesser work, it's just 2 or 3 clickings

  11. How is the goal spread with this tactic? Do your wingers get many?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Frag View Post
    How is the goal spread with this tactic? Do your wingers get many?
    Good question.
    In all competitions, my right winger gets about 20-25 a season, left winger about 10 at best.
    My right winger is a very good player, my left winger is a work in progress. If you had two equally competent players on the wings, I see no reason they couldn't get 10 league goals a piece and a few more on the side elsewhere.

    The wingers are not given specific instructions apart from to try a lot of through balls, dribble with the ball, cross at byline and move into channels. My idea was to give them the freedom to make choices when they are on the ball; and not restrict them to merely always cutting inside like an inside forward or staying wide like a traditional winger.
    So you can use a left footer on the left or the right, shouldn't matter. But you may see more goals if you use a lefty on the right, while more crosses if they keep to their strong side.

  13. whats your match preperation?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by mascagman View Post
    whats your match preperation?
    Whatever suits you, I personally use a High Balanced training, with either teamwork\tactics for match prep. But I have noticed attacking movement can get some good results.

  15. Very similar to how i set up notice you have lots of items on each player ticked? This is the bit i found intresting as doing that negates the shouts but gotta say it makes your tactic more fluid. I combined this with my own OI's and very impressed with the style and commitment from each player. Do you use the same tactic home and away?
    I agree with you that shouts are the way forward and if you get them right them make a huge tactical difference, congrats mate on a really top notch tactic and set up.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by thegooner65 View Post
    Very similar to how i set up notice you have lots of items on each player ticked? This is the bit i found intresting as doing that negates the shouts but gotta say it makes your tactic more fluid. I combined this with my own OI's and very impressed with the style and commitment from each player. Do you use the same tactic home and away?
    I agree with you that shouts are the way forward and if you get them right them make a huge tactical difference, congrats mate on a really top notch tactic and set up.
    Thank you

    I agree that having things ticked negates a lot of shouts, and I am constantly experimenting to see what I can get away with. However, when using the shouts, I strived for a balance between keeping the individual attacking instructions constant, and making some pretty radical changes in team instructions. I was most interested in not stifling the three attacking midfielders.

    As for home and away, yes, I use this tactic away too. It's had good success; and I think one of the reasons is that it works well against teams who will play more open, which, at home, most will do.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by zorak1 View Post
    Thank you

    I agree that having things ticked negates a lot of shouts, and I am constantly experimenting to see what I can get away with. However, when using the shouts, I strived for a balance between keeping the individual attacking instructions constant, and making some pretty radical changes in team instructions. I was most interested in not stifling the three attacking midfielders.

    As for home and away, yes, I use this tactic away too. It's had good success; and I think one of the reasons is that it works well against teams who will play more open, which, at home, most will do.
    I agree the ticked options do help control the players. What i did like is watching the game and that each player seems well drilled in there instructions. On previous games i have seen 2/3 players madly chase after 1 player and leave huge gaps. With your system this does not happen so on that point alone am very happy. When i get a chance will post up results using your tactic and my OI's.

  18. Impressive presentation, will definitely try the tactic out !

    Sorry if I haven't understood correctly,

    but you start the match without any shouts and only apply them later on ???

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Cavanagh View Post
    Impressive presentation, will definitely try the tactic out !

    Sorry if I haven't understood correctly,

    but you start the match without any shouts and only apply them later on ???
    I generally start without shouts, but sometimes, if I get a feeling from the team-talk that maybe the players aren't looking to motivated, or I'm playing a big team who will dominate, then I'll start either defensively or looking to counter with shouts.
    Generally speaking, I like to hit teams hard and fast and score early as possible.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by zorak1 View Post
    I generally start without shouts, but sometimes, if I get a feeling from the team-talk that maybe the players aren't looking to motivated, or I'm playing a big team who will dominate, then I'll start either defensively or looking to counter with shouts.
    Generally speaking, I like to hit teams hard and fast and score early as possible.
    Great, I'll let you know how the tactic does

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    Have attached results of season so far using your tactic and my own OI's. To say am impressed would be a lie i am ecstatic. I have changed nothing as the squad i have fit naturally into the formation(which i used already). The defeats are down to picking the wrong set of shouts and generally bad luck in football, otherwise amazed at the consistency and durability of the tactic.
    I would say that the right players are needed and there stats are really important, also using the right OI's really helps as makes the midfield the supreme tackling machine. I would suggest also having 3/4 good players for the midfield roles due to the amount of work they do.
    Regards the shouts i mix them around depending on a few factors
    A- If home or away
    B- Strength of opponent
    C- Weather conditions
    If i am favourite i will start with the all out attack and then change to either counter away or pass control. If underdog start with counter or control and then switch to all out attack to confuse the opp.
    Last edited by thegooner65; 11/06/2013 at 01:15 PM.
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  22. So let me get this straight.
    I release a tactic named after an Iron Maiden song, then you release a tactic named after an Iron Maiden song?
    THIS IS MADNESS!! (can I play with madness?)

    nah jk, looks like a solid tactic mate well done lol

  23. Quote Originally Posted by thegooner65 View Post
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    Have attached results of season so far using your tactic and my own OI's. To say am impressed would be a lie i am ecstatic. I have changed nothing as the squad i have fit naturally into the formation(which i used already). The defeats are down to picking the wrong set of shouts and generally bad luck in football, otherwise amazed at the consistency and durability of the tactic.
    I would say that the right players are needed and there stats are really important, also using the right OI's really helps as makes the midfield the supreme tackling machine. I would suggest also having 3/4 good players for the midfield roles due to the amount of work they do.
    Regards the shouts i mix them around depending on a few factors
    A- If home or away
    B- Strength of opponent
    C- Weather conditions
    If i am favourite i will start with the all out attack and then change to either counter away or pass control. If underdog start with counter or control and then switch to all out attack to confuse the opp.
    Thanks for your kind words

    I especially like you're 4-0 drubbing of Inter, now there's a night that will be remembered in Barnsley.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanite View Post
    So let me get this straight.
    I release a tactic named after an Iron Maiden song, then you release a tactic named after an Iron Maiden song?
    THIS IS MADNESS!! (can I play with madness?)

    nah jk, looks like a solid tactic mate well done lol
    Haha, actually, I'm not much of a Maiden fan, sorry! I'm more into my Deep Purple and Led Zep.
    The title was a loose reference to the novel, but mainly just my transition from a defensive "anti-football" style to a more expansive one.

  24. In other news, I am testing this now with a new game as Lazio. So, a medium ability top-flight team, but with big financial constraints. But progress is slow because I've just started a new job and that's taking up most of my time now. I'll post some screenshots when I can.

  25. [QUOTE=zorak1;1770614]Thanks for your kind words

    I especially like you're 4-0 drubbing of Inter, now there's a night that will be remembered in Barnsley.

    Its cool that was a great display yep Oakwell is the place to be The midfield are key every game i watch them they do so much work and i rotate between 4 of them. Its good as you also loose games but it is down to me using wrong shouts or wrong team talk so makes it a great all round tactic. Am surprised not got more feedback from others which is a shame.
    I would say it is more a player tactic as put the wrong player into a role and the whole tactic goes wrong, i lost 1-0 to Newcastle because my DLP was a DM and got caught for pace left a gap and they scored so important to pick the right players.

  26. [QUOTE=thegooner65;1770754]
    Quote Originally Posted by zorak1 View Post
    Thanks for your kind words

    I especially like you're 4-0 drubbing of Inter, now there's a night that will be remembered in Barnsley.

    Its cool that was a great display yep Oakwell is the place to be The midfield are key every game i watch them they do so much work and i rotate between 4 of them. Its good as you also loose games but it is down to me using wrong shouts or wrong team talk so makes it a great all round tactic. Am surprised not got more feedback from others which is a shame.
    I would say it is more a player tactic as put the wrong player into a role and the whole tactic goes wrong, i lost 1-0 to Newcastle because my DLP was a DM and got caught for pace left a gap and they scored so important to pick the right players.
    Yeah, I designed the entire tactic around the strengths of my team individually. However, saying that, n my Lazio game I don't quite have the same sort of players as I did with Wycombe. My full backs are far more attacking naturally and are really getting forward and putting crosses in. With Klose being so good in the air on fm13, I've scored more headers in the first few months at Lazio than I think I ever did with Wycombe, just because a couple of players are different.

  27. I am impressed with the clean sheets an area i always struggled with, i think i mentioned it earlier but i have not seen defenders charging around and leaving huge gaps. Your guide for player stats is very good as i would suggest anyone trying this tactic to read that part in depth.
    What you have achieved is to combine a classic and a TC in one, by ticking certain boxes you have created a controlled and well balanced overall tactic. Do you use OI's at all? as i find these if done correct compliment the tactic and overall balance.

  28. I do, but not as often as I should! You are absolutely correct, OI's should be a good addition to any tactic.
    I believe that if OI's do more harm than good to a tactic, then the balance in that tactic is far too tenuous and easily upsetted.

  29. Would this work in the championship?

  30. Quote Originally Posted by minergy View Post
    Would this work in the championship?
    If you have the relative players, it should work at any level.

    I have had success in testing while playing as Eastwood town using this tactic, but dropping the two CM's to DM's and using Counter.

  31. Can I use a BWM instead of CM(D) and a DLP(S) instead? And one CD(X) and the other CD(C)? I'm asking because those are the players I currently have. And what size field do you recommend? I typically use the largest available since I get the best fitness coaches
    Last edited by werdnalac1; 16/06/2013 at 03:01 AM.

  32. Quote Originally Posted by werdnalac1 View Post
    Can I use a BWM instead of CM(D) and a DLP(S) instead? And one CD(X) and the other CD(C)? I'm asking because those are the players I currently have. And what size field do you recommend? I typically use the largest available since I get the best fitness coaches
    The only real difference between a CM on defend and a BWM are their closing down instructions, a BWM will run about all over the shop trying to slide tackle everybody; a CM on defend is much smarter and tries to keep a balance between shape and pressure. So no, a BWM would be a bad idea because it would harm the balance of the defensive shape, something very important when you only have 6 players in midfield and defence combined (and in fm it's very hard to get attacking midfielders to track back, almost impossible)
    As for a DLP, he already is a Support in all but name; I keep him as a defend DLP so the mentality isn't too high, he shouldn't be running beyond the attacking midfield because there are already a lot of bodies there, he's much more useful further back (you will find the opposition will make a lot of half clearances that the DLP and CM will pick up and recycle possession. If they were too far forward, the opposition could have a break on.)

    Regarding pitch size, I don't know. I'm not allowed to alter my pitch size at current stadium. Larger would theoretically carry more goal threat.

  33. This tactic seemed promising but I couldn't get it to deliver. I got lots of possession, equal in shots to the opponents, but often losing / drawing. Ended up getting the sack from Spurs (albeit in 2029) using this tactic. Inconsistent but promising. Highly frustrating as I don't think it would have taken a lot of tweaking to be a good tactic.

    Still struggling since 13.3.3 came in.

  34. Regarding pitch size, I don't know. I'm not allowed to alter my pitch size at current stadium. Larger would theoretically carry more goal threat.[/QUOTE]

    By this do you mean I would more score or concede more?

  35. I've been using this forum for weeks without posting trying out most of the tactics on the first two pages. I'm only commenting because I'm surprised this tactic has got so little interest compared to the others.

    Firstly I started a new game with Man Utd - I got the best results I've ever had on any version of FM/CM. I won the league with 36 wins and 2 defeats, I scored 94 league goals and conceded 18, I won the league cup beating liverpool 5-0 in the final and I won the champions league beating Chelsea 3-1 in the final. The only blip came in the fa cup where i lost 3-1 to nottingham forest in the 3rd round but this was down to a number of factors (Jones sent off after twenty minutes, played all my fringe players and switched to attacking shouts as soon as i conceded, i think if i had been patient or gone to pass and move i would have won). I didn't sign a single player and my best result was an 8-0 drubbing of Aston Villa.

    I loved the shape of the team, the two holding midfield players are so solid, the attacking midfielders were superb (valencia got 23 goals from RW, Rooney 21 from AM, for some reason my LW was not as consistent but i did rotate that position a lot) and the striker scores loads, Van Persie was headed for 40+ before he got injured.

    I also played as the england manager on this save I beat spain 2-1 in a friendly and thrashed everyone else.

    That was really just a tester season so then i started my real save managing Hemel Hempstead in the southern premier - i'd had some success with Hemel using Arrigo sacchis tactic in a previous save and to be honest if I had tested this tactic with Hemel first I probably would not have stuck with it very long. In my first 6 games i got 5 draws and a defeat, but the team were playing well and my wingers were dazzling, i signed half a dozen players and up until february we went on a decent run, winning 3 or 4 on the bounce then losing 1. but thanks to 12 wins and 2 draws in the last 14 we won the league.

    This is going to be my tactic going forward now, i think it is the best there is because if you use the shouts as suggested then you have a way of beating every type of opponent.

    I always start normal go to counter if I'm winning my 2, or if winning by 1 and I'm the underdog. If i haven't scored by 40 minutes i go to pass and move, if I'm not winning at 70 minutes I go to attack. I've only use possession play and defending a few times but it really helped in the early games of the tactic when i had to grind out results.

    I think that's the trick with this fm from what i've seen when tactics are fluid, you have the right players and morale is high you can sit back and clean up but when you're in a bad ran you really have to be proactive. The shouts with this tactic give you a way to do that.

    I spend lot of time trying to relax and encourage my players with team talks until we started winning all the time then started being more demanding and assertive.

    I also had 2 back up tactics one was arrigo sacchis and one was a 433 i built. I only used them when injury's to my squad meant that formation made more sense (that maybe happened 2 or 3 times) and in the odd game where i was drawing and not creating much just to try something different and this probably resulted in me winning the odd game that would have been a draw but neither of those tactics were consistent or as enjoyable is this one and so it's my base tactic now and i sign players for this one.

    Well done I really encourage all to try.
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  36. Quote Originally Posted by kingcav View Post
    This tactic seemed promising but I couldn't get it to deliver. I got lots of possession, equal in shots to the opponents, but often losing / drawing. Ended up getting the sack from Spurs (albeit in 2029) using this tactic. Inconsistent but promising. Highly frustrating as I don't think it would have taken a lot of tweaking to be a good tactic.

    Still struggling since 13.3.3 came in.
    Sorry it didn't work out for you, these things do happen. I'm surprised that you bossed possession because that isn't really an area I was too concerned with and hadn't noticed in my games.

    Quote Originally Posted by werdnalac1 View Post

    By this do you mean I would more score or concede more?
    Both, width can be a double edged sword.

  37. Quote Originally Posted by Blue Flag View Post
    I've been using this forum for weeks without posting trying out most of the tactics on the first two pages. I'm only commenting because I'm surprised this tactic has got so little interest compared to the others.

    Firstly I started a new game with Man Utd - I got the best results I've ever had on any version of FM/CM. I won the league with 36 wins and 2 defeats, I scored 94 league goals and conceded 18, I won the league cup beating liverpool 5-0 in the final and I won the champions league beating Chelsea 3-1 in the final. The only blip came in the fa cup where i lost 3-1 to nottingham forest in the 3rd round but this was down to a number of factors (Jones sent off after twenty minutes, played all my fringe players and switched to attacking shouts as soon as i conceded, i think if i had been patient or gone to pass and move i would have won). I didn't sign a single player and my best result was an 8-0 drubbing of Aston Villa.

    I loved the shape of the team, the two holding midfield players are so solid, the attacking midfielders were superb (valencia got 23 goals from RW, Rooney 21 from AM, for some reason my LW was not as consistent but i did rotate that position a lot) and the striker scores loads, Van Persie was headed for 40+ before he got injured.

    I also played as the england manager on this save I beat spain 2-1 in a friendly and thrashed everyone else.

    That was really just a tester season so then i started my real save managing Hemel Hempstead in the southern premier - i'd had some success with Hemel using Arrigo sacchis tactic in a previous save and to be honest if I had tested this tactic with Hemel first I probably would not have stuck with it very long. In my first 6 games i got 5 draws and a defeat, but the team were playing well and my wingers were dazzling, i signed half a dozen players and up until february we went on a decent run, winning 3 or 4 on the bounce then losing 1. but thanks to 12 wins and 2 draws in the last 14 we won the league.

    This is going to be my tactic going forward now, i think it is the best there is because if you use the shouts as suggested then you have a way of beating every type of opponent.

    I always start normal go to counter if I'm winning my 2, or if winning by 1 and I'm the underdog. If i haven't scored by 40 minutes i go to pass and move, if I'm not winning at 70 minutes I go to attack. I've only use possession play and defending a few times but it really helped in the early games of the tactic when i had to grind out results.

    I think that's the trick with this fm from what i've seen when tactics are fluid, you have the right players and morale is high you can sit back and clean up but when you're in a bad ran you really have to be proactive. The shouts with this tactic give you a way to do that.

    I spend lot of time trying to relax and encourage my players with team talks until we started winning all the time then started being more demanding and assertive.

    I also had 2 back up tactics one was arrigo sacchis and one was a 433 i built. I only used them when injury's to my squad meant that formation made more sense (that maybe happened 2 or 3 times) and in the odd game where i was drawing and not creating much just to try something different and this probably resulted in me winning the odd game that would have been a draw but neither of those tactics were consistent or as enjoyable is this one and so it's my base tactic now and i sign players for this one.

    Well done I really encourage all to try.
    Thank you very much for your kind feedback

    I am very interested to hear you also had some qualms regarding the left midfield role; I too shared this observation, but I put it down to my left midfielder not being as quite of high a quality as my other midfielders. This still could be true of course, but I will look into it and see if I can see why that might be. Time allowing... I don't quite have the free time to play FM like I used to.

    You are right about the advantages and disadvantages of a Fluid style. When things are good, they're great. But throw in a few new players, new tactics, bad runs etc.. And things can go pear-shaped quick. I myself am using this with Lazio and Fenerbahce now, but it's taking a while to bed.

    Thanks again for your comments, let me know if you make any tweaks that benefit you going forward.

  38. Quote Originally Posted by zorak1 View Post
    Thank you very much for your kind feedback

    I am very interested to hear you also had some qualms regarding the left midfield role; I too shared this observation, but I put it down to my left midfielder not being as quite of high a quality as my other midfielders. This still could be true of course, but I will look into it and see if I can see why that might be. Time allowing... I don't quite have the free time to play FM like I used to.

    You are right about the advantages and disadvantages of a Fluid style. When things are good, they're great. But throw in a few new players, new tactics, bad runs etc.. And things can go pear-shaped quick. I myself am using this with Lazio and Fenerbahce now, but it's taking a while to bed.

    Thanks again for your comments, let me know if you make any tweaks that benefit you going forward.
    The left winger i found the same issue so to counter this i now have the AML and AMR switch position which seems to help. Just starting pre season so might try changing the AML to an IF and see what it looks like, otherwise like above very surprised this has not got much praise defo best version of 4231 i have found.

  39. The pitch size is at largest possible and it's working wonders for me because I put it at all out attack at the beginning of the game and then usually switch to possession once I'm up some goals. As for AML, he contributes the most assists. He is also higher rated than my AMR so that is a factor.

  40. Quote Originally Posted by werdnalac1 View Post
    The pitch size is at largest possible and it's working wonders for me because I put it at all out attack at the beginning of the game and then usually switch to possession once I'm up some goals. As for AML, he contributes the most assists. He is also higher rated than my AMR so that is a factor.
    Hmmm could be the pitch size then? Seems using the AML as an IF has no immediate change but early days yet will continue testing.

  41. I have some questions about things that suprise me (and that I don't understand at all) :
    * one of the favored pm's for the centrebacks is "marks opponents tightly" but in the player instructions the cb marks zonal and NO tight marking?!?
    * also in the shouts there is used to play the ball on the flanks but in the team instructions the ball distribution is set on Mixed, so the shout won't work...

  42. Quote Originally Posted by werdnalac1 View Post
    The pitch size is at largest possible and it's working wonders for me because I put it at all out attack at the beginning of the game and then usually switch to possession once I'm up some goals. As for AML, he contributes the most assists. He is also higher rated than my AMR so that is a factor.
    True, my AML got a healthy amount of assists.

    Quote Originally Posted by thegooner65 View Post
    Hmmm could be the pitch size then? Seems using the AML as an IF has no immediate change but early days yet will continue testing.
    Something I wish I could check, no idea why I don't have any control over my pitch size. Do you change the players wide instructions to "Cut Inside" manually when switching the role to IF? Because you'll need to see the difference between an IF and a winger (sorry if that's an obvious question)

  43. Quote Originally Posted by prinz poldi View Post
    I have some questions about things that suprise me (and that I don't understand at all) :
    * one of the favored pm's for the centrebacks is "marks opponents tightly" but in the player instructions the cb marks zonal and NO tight marking?!?
    * also in the shouts there is used to play the ball on the flanks but in the team instructions the ball distribution is set on Mixed, so the shout won't work...
    In my experience, there is a difference in the way players execute their PPM's and the way they execute their instructions.

    The shouts, however, are probably oversights on my part.

  44. Shouts are the FM future but if you get them wrong they can ruin a tactic. I use them but also find that having too many affects play so with items ticked this counters the shout but leaves the other shouts in use have there maxium effect. I hope this makes sense as shouts are great but i read loads about people using too many, keep the combos small 5 at most and you will see the benifit.

  45. Quote Originally Posted by zorak1 View Post
    True, my AML got a healthy amount of assists.



    Something I wish I could check, no idea why I don't have any control over my pitch size. Do you change the players wide instructions to "Cut Inside" manually when switching the role to IF? Because you'll need to see the difference between an IF and a winger (sorry if that's an obvious question)
    The 2 players i use as in the AML/R position both have cut inside PPM but not really noticed any difference. However i have a really good natural winger and have seen him cut inside loads but crap at finishing.

  46. Quote Originally Posted by zorak1 View Post
    If you have the relative players, it should work at any level.
    Please could you post a screenshot of the results.
    Thanks

    I have had success in testing while playing as Eastwood town using this tactic, but dropping the two CM's to DM's and using Counter.

  47. Testing your Tactic but got creamiepie badly, i stop testing it after the 1st few league matches.
    it was doing fine during the pre season match when i arrange friendly with bigger reputation team.

    But somehow during the match, everything goes wrong
    I start with Hyde though which does not have any fund for player Transfer during season 1.
    tried recruiting "so call good player" thus always in "RED" for club finiancial. hahaha

    But it was a interesting Philosophy Tactic!

  48. Quote Originally Posted by EddyChew View Post
    Testing your Tactic but got creamiepie badly, i stop testing it after the 1st few league matches.
    it was doing fine during the pre season match when i arrange friendly with bigger reputation team.

    But somehow during the match, everything goes wrong
    I start with Hyde though which does not have any fund for player Transfer during season 1.
    tried recruiting "so call good player" thus always in "RED" for club finiancial. hahaha

    But it was a interesting Philosophy Tactic!
    Thats a shame but the tactic does require the correct player type. All this is detailed in the opening post playing as Hyde i would set your maximum stat rating between 6-8 this should allow you enough width to find the right players for that league. No tactic works in a few games you must become fluid with the tactic and the settings.

  49. Have attached my 2nd season using this tactic combined with my own OI's so far some great results the defeat by PSV was after having 2 men sent off and Fulham defeat was my reserve and youth players otherwise very pleased.

    Zorak's Brave New World, 4-2-3-1. Wycombe win Premiership with 101 points.-barnsley_-fixtures-schedule.png

    Tactic and also shows am fluid which really helps nothing changed from original tactic just added players that matched the tactic.
    Zorak's Brave New World, 4-2-3-1. Wycombe win Premiership with 101 points.-barnsley_-tactics-overview.png

  50. Quote Originally Posted by thegooner65 View Post
    Thats a shame but the tactic does require the correct player type. All this is detailed in the opening post playing as Hyde i would set your maximum stat rating between 6-8 this should allow you enough width to find the right players for that league. No tactic works in a few games you must become fluid with the tactic and the settings.
    No worries!
    will try again once i done testing other Tactic.
    must be BRAVE enough in Brave New World

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