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Zyndar's Tactic Workshop - 2 or 3 strikers formations

  1. Zyndar's Tactic Workshop - 2 or 3 strikers formations

    Welcome to my tactic workshop of 2 or 3 striker formations!

    Since in FM16 I tested tons of tactics instead of playing the game, I decided that in FM17 it will be different, I will play more careers and test must less number of tactics. Considering this I am opening this thread only for formations with 2 or 3 strikers and definitely there will be another one sooner or later for the 1 striker setups. Please note that training and team management parts are general and should be applied to all tactics.

    Training

    General training is Fittness - High in the first 2 weeks of pre season and then Team Cohesion - High until the end of August, Balanced - Medium afterwards. Match preparation (bar fully on the left) is Match Tactics until it gets fully fluid, defensive positioning afterwards (set the bar 2 ticks from the left).

    Team management

    You are the manager, so this is definitely one of your tasks: manage your team! This part of the game is extremely important and cannot be ignored. Creating a good tactic is one thing, a good starting point. Buying/developing better players is also key. But as time goes by, the morale of your squad might be dropping due to various reasons or you will simply face a drop in performance, since no team in the world is able to win all the matches. You have to react to these situations properly in order to make them happier/keep the morale high or to cut short the time of the downturn.





    Team talks

    I don't like to complicate things in this area, but I always do it by myself. Actually let the overall team talk done by your assistant, but after that you should do the positional team talk:

    Before the match

    - Home always assertively: I have faith...

    - Away calmly or assertively: I have faith...

    Half time

    - If leading: assertivevely/calmly: don't get complacent... - never praise them! You might see some negative reactions, but don't care about it.

    - If it's a draw or losing: assertively/calmly: show me something else...or similar

    Full time

    - If won than praise them
    - If drew or lost then assertively chew them out

    During the match

    - Encouraging players is always a good idea, so if they are not playing confidently, use this shout
    - If you do not have the lead after the 1st half, tell them assertively/calmly to demand more or push forward
    - If you have the lead than for the last 20 minutes tell them to concentrate

    Team meetings

    You can use these events for 2 reasons: if the team is performing good or bad. Let's consider you are using a good tactic. How to determine if your team is performing good or bad? If you are with Bayern M√ľnchen and other team is leading the league after 10 matches, you are definitely on a bad run or doing something wrong. If you are managing Burnley and you are fightning for the Europa League places then you are doing the right thing. My advice is to hold team meetings once every month and praise or warn them about their form. You can track when the meetings were held by clicking your profile -> My History -> Conversation history.

    Praising players

    When your player have an average match rating above 7.60 for the last 5 games, you can interact with them and say they recent from is good. Only avoid to praise more then 4 players at the same time (obviously if you are on a winning streak and more then 4 players are red hot, then only praise the best 4) and do not praise the same player in the same month again.

    Bad streak - change the training

    It is absolutely normal that at some point the results will be worse for some matches and you will see that after a good run you got 2 defeats and 3 draws. Does this mean that the tactic is crap? Definitely not. You have to take care of the situation and my advice is that you should change the match training to teamwork and general training to tactics for 2 weeks then change back the previous setting.

    Most important player attributes - it applies for all tactics. If any other requirement should be met, it will be listed in the notes of the relevant tactic.

    Download the filters here ==> Player search filters

    The basic value for the most important player attributes is set to 13, but you should definitely modify it based on the level of the league you are in. If there are too few players matching the filter who are interested in joining your team, you should set the matching rules to 5/7 or 6/8 etc.



    HANNIBAL V4 - Inspired by Diego Simeone's philosophy



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    !!! Notes - Very Important !!!

    - By default, you should start your matches on STANDARD
    - HANNIBAL V4 works great on
    COUNTER in the following cases:
    + If you are facing a stronger opponent, home or away
    + If you are facing a team who is relying on counter attacking

    How to identify team playing counter attacking style? Check the scout reports and look for playing style long or direct.




    - When you are after a goal, push the D-line 1 tick higher to 'Slightly Higher'.

    Corners


    Corners should be taken by the best corner taker, just position the players like on the screenshot.

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    Attached Files
    Last edited by zyndar; 22/01/2017 at 03:18 PM.

  2. FALCHION V6




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    Corners to be taken by MCL or AMC


    Southampton test so far

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    FALCHION V7



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    Watford test

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    Last edited by zyndar; 06/02/2017 at 11:00 PM.





  3. GENESIS AP



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    Notes

    - In Advanced Playmaker positions you can use Inside Forward type players or natural APs
    - APs don't necessary to be opposite footed. Same applies for the IWBs
    - Best corner taker should take the corners
    - The amount of long shots might be relatively high in some matches, but don't worry about it and don't change the tactic
    - Most of the goals are coming from through balls
    - Drop the D-line to normal against those opponents, who are relying on counters. This makes their plan harder, since there is less space to launch those through balls
    Attached Files
    Last edited by zyndar; 08/01/2017 at 01:26 PM.
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  4. Herta Berlin test ouu yeah
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  5. Nice! Gonna try this with Watford.
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  6. Zyndar will you be re-uploading these tactics on Friday when they revert back to fmf files ?
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by Adi1974 View Post
    Zyndar will you be re-uploading these tactics on Friday when they revert back to fmf files ?
    If needed, then yes.

  8. 4-3-3 tactic added to post #2.

  9. Will give this a try in the Vanaram national league north
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  10. Just started using 442 version and it's insane! Playing as Utd not signed anyone for first team, only youth teams. Friendlies were hit and miss, but as soon as it got fluid and you follow all the hints and tips it comes alive. Beat Leicester 4-1 in the Comm Shield. Sunderland 7-2, Everton 1-5 and Arsenal 3-0 great job!
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  11. Zyndar please tactics 4-1-4-1,left winger and right winger.Thank you.

  12. With the full release v2 of Claymore will be added since the ME changed in a way to make v1 less effective.

  13. The defensive too?

    You use the same name, don't use Claymore V2?
    Last edited by jrazi; 04/11/2016 at 11:19 AM.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by jrazi View Post
    The defensive too?

    You use the same name, don't use Claymore V2?

    With the full release v2 of Claymore will be added
    and the defensive will remain a it is.
    Anyone using Claymore or Falchion btw?

  15. Do you know if there were any changes in me from demo to full version?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by zyndar View Post
    and the defensive will remain a it is.
    Anyone using Claymore or Falchion btw?
    Using Claymore. Noticed yesterday it wasn't quite as effective when was first released. Not creating as much and conceding a lot of chances against. And that's against all opp those 2 points.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by postrotok View Post
    Do you know if there were any changes in me from demo to full version?
    Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of dreams View Post
    Using Claymore. Noticed yesterday it wasn't quite as effective when was first released. Not creating as much and conceding a lot of chances against. And that's against all opp those 2 points.
    Noticed the same. I've started my first career in the danish 2nd division and were flying at the start, and then yesterday we were not able to score in 6 (!) consecutive matches, so I changed the tactic and since than we scored 16 in 4 matches, with 1 striker netted 9. Of course it won't be like this forever, but it has dealt with the ME change. V2 will be shared today evening.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by zyndar View Post
    Noticed the same. I've started my first career in the danish 2nd division and were flying at the start, and then yesterday we were not able to score in 6 (!) consecutive matches, so I changed the tactic and since than we scored 16 in 4 matches, with 1 striker netted 9. Of course it won't be like this forever, but it has dealt with the ME change. V2 will be shared today evening.
    Zyndar, will you be nice enough to also update the filters tonight? The format the save is in at the game launch is different than during the beta so right now it's not possible to use it.Thanks.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by zyndar View Post
    Noticed the same. I've started my first career in the danish 2nd division and were flying at the start, and then yesterday we were not able to score in 6 (!) consecutive matches, so I changed the tactic and since than we scored 16 in 4 matches, with 1 striker netted 9. Of course it won't be like this forever, but it has dealt with the ME change. V2 will be shared today evening.
    Sounds good! Will download v2 when get home later
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by AlexTheTall View Post
    Zyndar, will you be nice enough to also update the filters tonight? The format the save is in at the game launch is different than during the beta so right now it's not possible to use it.Thanks.
    So when your are trying to use the filters in the game, those are simply not visible in the full version?

  21. Always enjoy your stuff Zyndar!
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by zyndar View Post
    So when your are trying to use the filters in the game, those are simply not visible in the full version?
    Yes exactly. Yesterday to try your tactic in release, I couldn't use the .tac over your tactic, so I rebuilt it by looking over your pictures. Than I downloaded your filters but they can't be found when I try to import than in the game. They are in the good file : document/ SI games/ Football Manager 17 / Filters ... Just the format they were using in beta changed over night.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by AlexTheTall View Post
    Yes exactly. Yesterday to try your tactic in release, I couldn't use the .tac over your tactic, so I rebuilt it by looking over your pictures. Than I downloaded your filters but they can't be found when I try to import than in the game. They are in the good file : document/ SI games/ Football Manager 17 / Filters ... Just the format they were using in beta changed over night.
    I will definitely create the filters in the new format, but until now you still can load up your save where you already used and at manage filters, you can select all and export. Just guessing, not at home atm.

  24. zynadar

    I don't know why but I can't load your tactics ?!?

    Can you help me with it. Thx !

  25. Quote Originally Posted by themario View Post
    zynadar

    I don't know why but I can't load your tactics ?!?

    Can you help me with it. Thx !
    The full version uses .fmf files, the beta used .tac files. Today evening I'll update the tactics in the OP.
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  26. Using Falchion, working great. Made one or two changes to fit lower league football and my players. Won the Vanarama North league easily after the media said we'd finish around 20th. Top goal scorer had 40 in the season.
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  27. aaaaaand results?

  28. Quote Originally Posted by macphee99 View Post
    Using Falchion, working great. Made one or two changes to fit lower league football and my players. Won the Vanarama North league easily after the media said we'd finish around 20th. Top goal scorer had 40 in the season.
    Aaaaand results?

  29. Could anyone upload the play instructions to the 442 if possible

  30. Quote Originally Posted by zyndar View Post
    The full version uses .fmf files, the beta used .tac files. Today evening I'll update the tactics in the OP.
    Thx!

  31. Any clue on upload time ?

  32. lets do it I just wondered the falcion tactics and dont cry ibrahimovicD:

  33. Quote Originally Posted by Adi1974 View Post
    Any clue on upload time ?
    In some minutes Game is getting updated.

  34. Cheerz zyndar I'm dying to try it out
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  35. - Claymore V2 and Defensive version V2 added
    - Falchion files updated
    - Player filters updated
    - Bottle of wine opened
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  36. Sweet! What changes you made mate?

  37. Quote Originally Posted by Theatre of dreams View Post
    Sweet! What changes you made mate?
    Passing is now direct, removed exploit the middle and work ball into box, added look for overlap and run at defence and changed some passing setting in the player instructions. Also changed AP to support and both wingers to attack. I guess that's it.
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  38. Ok mate cheers. Slipped a bit in the league to 3rd since but only a couple points behind, since the me changed.

  39. V2 has turned it around for me 3 wins on the bounce after no wins in 5.
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  40. V2 in action.



    And this guy is on fire, scoring 17 on 12 matches

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  41. Would love to see a 442 with wingers instead of wide midfielders. Not seen a good one of those since FM13
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  42. Nah man tried the 442 original and defensive, conceding goals left and right

  43. Quote Originally Posted by goblinshark View Post
    Nah man tried the 442 original and defensive, conceding goals left and right
    Have you followed all the advice in the OP mate? Training, Team Talks, Keeping morale high, Using the instruction change against certain teams, Buying players to suit the tactic? And Opposition instructions.
    Last edited by Theatre of dreams; 06/11/2016 at 06:30 AM.

  44. TEST LEAGUE

    Hi there,

    I am sharing with you my test league save game. It is definitely not perfect, but extremely challenging and a quick way to test tactics. You can set up your tactic into all 3 slots, go to holiday (click use current match tactics) until 27th August. Don't forget to set the training afterwards as you see the best. The W and IF means...well guess what

    Feel free to add some comments, ideas.

    TEST DIVISION by ZYNDAR V2.1



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  45. The 4-4-2 is very very good.
    Best tactic on this forum at the moment.
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  46. Quote Originally Posted by TopHill View Post
    The 4-4-2 is very very good.
    Best tactic on this forum at the moment.
    Any results?

  47. I've just created an underdog test save with Middlesbrough. No CA/PA changes at all.

    PREMIER LEAGUE MIDDLESBROUGH TEST V2

    The changes are:
    • Apply transfer embargo to all BPL teams
    • Removed all Cup competitions
    • Remove all injuries + set all players' Injury proneness to 1
    • Retire all players in your league from international football
    • Set all players to retire at the end of the season so they won't ask for new contracts
    • All fullbacks can play as wingbacks
    • All central midfielders can play as DM
    • All wide players can play on both sides
    Although all injury types were removed from the game, there will be still some, but only 2-4 in the whole league at a time.
    Last edited by zyndar; 08/11/2016 at 08:55 AM.

  48. Another test save, Crystal Palace this time, media prediction 12th, which was not changed due to the fact that I've added a bunch of players to create squad depth.

    PREMIER LEAGUE CRYSTAL PALACE TEST

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  49. Hey Zyndar,

    Just to let you know I've been using your 4-3-3 to great success on my conference save with Western Super mare. Almost finished the season, currently sitting in 3rd place for a play off spot (predicted to finish 19th) and through to the Fa final. I'll post some screenshots when I'm on my laptop. I do think that the away version might need some tweaking though.

    Anyway, thanks again Zyndar!
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  50. Using the 4-4-2 tactics for my NEC save (Netherlands), after 10 games in the Eredivisie I'm in the 2nd place, prediction was 14th, so doing very well with a very bad squad!
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