the correct FB/WB to use behind a Raumdeuter?

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With the Raumdeuter expected to roam around the pitch and leaving his flank exposed to opposition's wide players, what sort of player role should the full back behind him occupy?

LFB/WB/FB/IWB/CWB and what duty for the same?

Also, what sort of duty should an IF on the opposite flank have?
and as such, the FB behind the IF?

As a result of the roles of the 2 full backs, what should the player in the DM strata be?

Regista? Half Back? Anchorman?

I see HB's tend to sit back, break opposition's play, go for simple passes and so on. ie, a typically no nonsens defensive minded player...

Regista is different.. he breaks in opponents plays, dictates his team's tempo, when in possession he moves higher up the pitch, drops deeper at times, albeit not as deep as an anchorman or a HB.. he would very comfortably pick the ball in tough areas and make something of it- pass to a player in a better area, create a chance somehow, or lastly, just clear the ball for the sake of it!

but does having the Regista with no defensive partner in the midfield negatively affect the team? As there would be no midfielder on a defend duty..
Or is the Regista even though with a support duty good enough to cater to the defensive needs of the game when the full backs make attacking runs?
Or would the regista find himself out of position to expose his defenders?

Or would a DLP or an Anchorman be better choices?


[SK(S)]

[FB?] [LD(D)] [LD(D)] [FB?]

[DM?]

[BBM(S)] [RPM/DLP/AP]

[RMD(A)] [ENG/TQ(A)] [IF(A/S)]

that's the line up, striker less.. AMC to be decided from the 2 choices, LCM also can be any of the choices...
 
Since the Raumdeuter is an aggressive/attacking role, usually he's partnered by a more cautious fullback to not leave too much space down that flank.
 
With the Raumdeuter expected to roam around the pitch and leaving his flank exposed to opposition's wide players, what sort of player role should the full back behind him occupy?

LFB/WB/FB/IWB/CWB and what duty for the same?

Also, what sort of duty should an IF on the opposite flank have?
and as such, the FB behind the IF?

As a result of the roles of the 2 full backs, what should the player in the DM strata be?

Regista? Half Back? Anchorman?

I see HB's tend to sit back, break opposition's play, go for simple passes and so on. ie, a typically no nonsens defensive minded player...

Regista is different.. he breaks in opponents plays, dictates his team's tempo, when in possession he moves higher up the pitch, drops deeper at times, albeit not as deep as an anchorman or a HB.. he would very comfortably pick the ball in tough areas and make something of it- pass to a player in a better area, create a chance somehow, or lastly, just clear the ball for the sake of it!

but does having the Regista with no defensive partner in the midfield negatively affect the team? As there would be no midfielder on a defend duty..
Or is the Regista even though with a support duty good enough to cater to the defensive needs of the game when the full backs make attacking runs?
Or would the regista find himself out of position to expose his defenders?

Or would a DLP or an Anchorman be better choices?


[SK(S)]

[FB?] [LD(D)] [LD(D)] [FB?]

[DM?]

[BBM(S)] [RPM/DLP/AP]

[RMD(A)] [ENG/TQ(A)] [IF(A/S)]

that's the line up, striker less.. AMC to be decided from the 2 choices, LCM also can be any of the choices...


leave too much space down that flank.
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I have gone with a normal 4-3-3..

SK(S)

LFB(D) CD(D) CD(D) LFB(D)

RGA(S)

BBM(S) DLP(S)

RMD(A) IF(S)

DF(S)

both full backs are LFB as their crossings aren't top notch, and I'd rather have them concentrate on the defensive aspect first, and then the attack! As a result, my midfield trio are all on support.. The DLP position is what I am testing with AP also...

I'm playing controlled game, retain possession, short passes, pass into space etc.. with my DLP having creative freedom of more direct passes and risky ones to pick the attacking Raumdeuter!

At the moment I have set a much higher tempo to see if it works with the control and retain possession set up, if not I'd revert to a lower tempo game..
Close down much more is enabled, all players close down except the center backs..

It's a narrow set up, with the full backs sitting wider..
 
Your post seems to imply that you think a LFB will attack, when the definition of a defend duty is to stay back.
 
Your post seems to imply that you think a LFB will attack, when the definition of a defend duty is to stay back.

I meant I'd rather have the full backs defend thAn attack primarily... guess the thAn and thEn mix up probably altered the meaning..
I want the defense to be structured and focus on the defensive side, and the attacking players to attack more, and the midfield trio to dominate..

As such, should the IF(S) rather be IF(A)? and the ST to be something other than the DF? I like the work rate of the DF in this game though..
I've got a 32yo Benzema, a 21/22 yo Bonazzoli, an aging Rooney and a 32yo Cavani to play there, though Cavani is my AMR Raumdeuter...
 
My 1st choice RB has crossing attribute around 10, and the LB also around 12 I guess, and their best role are as LFB, so I guess I'd rather have them stick to what they do the best, look for easy passes ahead and that's that. No need for attacking displays, marauding runs or the likes.. Hence I changed my half back to a regista...
 
I meant I'd rather have the full backs defend thAn attack primarily... guess the thAn and thEn mix up probably altered the meaning..
I want the defense to be structured and focus on the defensive side, and the attacking players to attack more, and the midfield trio to dominate..

As such, should the IF(S) rather be IF(A)? and the ST to be something other than the DF? I like the work rate of the DF in this game though..
I've got a 32yo Benzema, a 21/22 yo Bonazzoli, an aging Rooney and a 32yo Cavani to play there, though Cavani is my AMR Raumdeuter...

My 1st choice RB has crossing attribute around 10, and the LB also around 12 I guess, and their best role are as LFB, so I guess I'd rather have them stick to what they do the best, look for easy passes ahead and that's that. No need for attacking displays, marauding runs or the likes.. Hence I changed my half back to a regista...
It all depends what YOU want them to do.

You should read the descriptions of player roles. A limited defender will defend and clear the ball/play very direct, not play simple passes.

Your tactic at the moment relies almost completely on someone playing the the RMD in. If that doesn't happen or he's crowded/marked out of the game, who will get the goals for you and how?
 
It all depends what YOU want them to do.

You should read the descriptions of player roles. A limited defender will defend and clear the ball/play very direct, not play simple passes.

Your tactic at the moment relies almost completely on someone playing the the RMD in. If that doesn't happen or he's crowded/marked out of the game, who will get the goals for you and how?

In the last game I played, there were about 3 players around Cavani(RMD) the moment he got the ball.. He ended up scoring a precious hat-trick!

I have altered the striker to be a Poacher now, the AML is now IF Attack, the MCL is AP Attack...

I might try to change the full backs to IWB, though I personally am not a fan of the role..
 
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IWB doesn't really work in FM15, although it might still be useful since you don't want them to cross.
 
Well, here's the tactic I've set up ultimately...

It's a tactic that relies on attacking, not a lot of patient build up though it's control set-up..
it's a quick transitional attack with the players in the attacking third being quick and clinical...
The midfield trio dictate the game, and they are instructed to pass directly to pick on the runs of the attacking players up front...


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I have been experimenting with RDM rolle, and what I have found out is that, if You want this rolle to work, you gotta be extra agressive with possesion, or to play counter attacking football... Other position setup depends on this mostly...

My preference is to play without pressing whatsoever (pressure less shout), control, high D line with offside and with agressive player roles... In this setup, regista is great combined with DLP- def, as they give You pass back option and extra men that comes late in box, but also, they give you stability at back... Less pressing will give you nice defensive form which will be hard to break from opposition, but it will also be one that invites opposition to come and leave space behind deffence. Then I have counters regardles of my control setup, and I have nice, slow build up controled attacks when opposition is deep.
Regarding FB positin behind RMD, it does not metter, You can leave support role or attack rolle, he will be same, as there will be acres of free space for him to come in. And with deffensive rolle it will be same, but less often, as he will be less agressive. In defence though, leaving FB with attack duty will leave you exposed. Regarding rolle, it depends what You want to achive once FB is high upfield. If you want him to cross, then fb, or CWB, or WB is ok, if You do not want him to cross, then IWB is your best option, as he will use free space at right time and he will not cross balls, but he will only give you width in attacking phase. Also, he will be more narrow in deffence by defoult, which will give you better protection against deep trough balls... In this setup I choose support rolle, and depending on player quality, i will change his rolle.

If You like to play counter attacking, combination f9 and two RMD on each side, combined with generic rolles of other players (cm, dm, fb...), slow paced attack and short passing will give you interesting options in attack, as f9 will be coming deep to get ball and if cb comes after him, that will leave lot of space for RMD-s to exploit. And generic roles will not be ones who will demand ball (unlike playmaker rolles) so direct passes to RMD-s in space will be quite often ... But, this could be also problematic if You have trouble achieving respectable possesion, as there is always possability that someone will make mistake in your defence, as it is under constant pressure... Here I mostly choose FB -def rolle for FB, as whole concept of attack is to invite opposition to open up and to exploit free space behind defence, so there is no need for FB-s to get involved in attack.
 
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FB/S works best.

He will go forward to provide a passing option and make occasional overlap runs, but he will not bomb forward crossing from a byline etc.

FB/D is too defensive and leaves RMD isolated. Similarily, FB/A is too offensive and leaves the flank exposed.
 
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