Conceding tons of goals to low crosses

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This is incredibly frustrating.

Wether I play offside trap, flat higher up line or sit back and defend close to the net, I concede far too many goals to low crosses. It doesn't matter if my whole team is crowded in my own penalty area, a single opposition forward will receive the ball and score first touch. It happens consistently no matter what team I manage or what kind of defense I play. Of course this does NOT work when I set my players to play this way.

I've never had this much trouble against a single effing play, and I've been playing every game for hundreds of hours since 2008. Please tell me I'm not the only one.
 
The defending on this patch is broken. My advice would be wait until they fix the ME before you start a new save.
 
MorrisQPR said:
Its not pointless if its true, WJ. Have a flick through the forum, people reporting the same problems with conceding goals yellow/red cards, injuries etc.

FM never has a fully working ME in November.
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People have the same problems every year. Most other people don't. You're not contributing to this discussion at all.

The ME and FM is a lot more polished this year that what it is normally, tbqfh. "People" got used to an AI letting them do whatever they want in FM15. This year you actually have to pay attention to what is going on. The D-Line is a very important factor this year (as it should be) and getting this wrong, for instance, can be disastrous. It may be the case here for the OP, but we don't know with the little info provided so far.
 
WJ said:
People have the same problems every year. Most other people don't. You're not contributing to this discussion at all.

The ME and FM is a lot more polished this year that what it is normally, tbqfh. "People" got used to an AI letting them do whatever they want in FM15. This year you actually have to pay attention to what is going on. The D-Line is a very important factor this year (as it should be) and getting this wrong, for instance, can be disastrous. It may be the case here for the OP, but we don't know with the little info provided so far.
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He won't be able to stop conceding from crosses, which is what the point of this thread was. Fullbacks are not performing their job properly on this patch. They don't stay tight to the wide man even with mark tighter and OI to mark wingers/wide midfielders. They only put a decent tackle in when "get stuck in" and "tackle harder" are selected, at which point they will probably get sent off after an hour for 2 bookings.

Also, whenever the AI has a winger with a fullback who bombs forwards to support, just forget about it, you're going to concede.

Couple that with the fact that crosses are so accurate from the AI this year, even with guys who have 8-13 crossing. You have little chance. CBs also don't react quick enough and I've lost count of the number of times one of my CBs has scored a OG from a cross.

The same thing happens with all different tactics, playing in different leagues with a different quality of players.

If you feel you can remedy that before they patch the problem then you're a much better FM player than I.
 
MorrisQPR said:
He won't be able to stop conceding from crosses, which is what the point of this thread was. Fullbacks are not performing their job properly on this patch. They don't stay tight to the wide man even with mark tighter and OI to mark wingers/wide midfielders. They only put a decent tackle in when "get stuck in" and "tackle harder" are selected, at which point they will probably get sent off after an hour for 2 bookings.

Also, whenever the AI has a winger with a fullback who bombs forwards to support, just forget about it, you're going to concede.

Couple that with the fact that crosses are so accurate from the AI this year, even with guys who have 8-13 crossing. You have little chance. CBs also don't react quick enough and I've lost count of the number of times one of my CBs has scored a OG from a cross.

The same thing happens with all different tactics, playing in different leagues with a different quality of players.

If you feel you can remedy that before they patch the problem then you're a much better FM player than I.
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The AI use the same ME as you. The ME doesn't know the difference. They have the same tools available to them that you do. If the AI can do it, you can too.

I'm well aware of fullbacks narrowing too much, which is an acknowledged problem. We know that.

You can specific man-mark these marauding fullbacks, for one thing. Have you tried that?

"Their crosses" aren't more accurate than yours and there's more to crossing than a simple crossing attribute. As I also said, where you set up your D-Line is also quite important.

Stopping the crosses in the first place should also be the main objective. You don't HAVE to ask a defender to get stuck in. If your issue is crosses, blocking the cross is more important than diving in providing the time and space for a winger to pick his spot.

Again - specifics are needed. You are proving that you're just out to whine about **** while knowing very, very little.
 
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WJ said:
Oh ffs.

AI, AI, AI. They use the same ME as you. They have the same tools available to them that you do. If the AI can do it, you can too.

I'm well aware of fullbacks narrowing too much, which is an acknowledged problem. We know that.

You can specific man-mark these marauding fullbacks, for one thing. Have you tried that?

"Their crosses" aren't more accurate than yours and there's more to crossing than a simple crossing attribute. As I also said, where you set up your D-Line is also quite important.

Stopping the crosses in the first place should also be the main objective. You don't HAVE to ask a defender to get stuck in. If your issue is crosses, blocking the cross is more important than diving in providing the time and space for a winger to pick his spot.

Again - specifics are needed. You are proving that you're just out to whine about **** while knowing very, very little.
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Whining? Have a read through the various FM forums. Lots of people saying the same thing, I'm sure they're all using a variation of methods to try and counter crosses, different manual man marking/TI's/PI's D line etc.

Try some of the various tactics uploaded to this site, all have different formations, different D line, different everything. All concede the same type of goals. Nothing works to stop crosses on this current patch.
 
MorrisQPR said:
Whining? Have a read through the various FM forums. Lots of people saying the same thing, I'm sure they're all using a variation of methods to try and counter crosses, different manual man marking/TI's/PI's D line etc.

Try some of the various tactics uploaded to this site, all have different formations, different D line, different everything. All concede the same type of goals. Nothing works to stop crosses on this current patch.
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I'm well aware of what's posted around forums. I've managed perfectly well against crosses with a flat 3-5-2 to name just one, not exactly the best formation to defend the flanks, but it was still relatively easy because I paid attention to what was happening and what my setup's weaknesses were.
 
WJ said:
I'm well aware of what's posted around forums. I've managed perfectly well against crosses with a flat 3-5-2 to name just one, not exactly the best formation to defend the flanks, but it was still relatively easy because I paid attention to what was happening and what my setup's weaknesses were.
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How did you have your wingsbacks set up? I use stay wider, mark tighter and get stuck in. Unfortunately my wingbacks/fullbacks don't stay wide, don't mark tight and tackle like fannys.

Having 3 CBs is definitely the best way to counter crosses atm, I can't stop them from coming in but at least I can outnumber the AI in my box and have a better chance of clearing the ball.

Problem is I really don't like playing with 3 CBs.
 
MorrisQPR said:
How did you have your wingsbacks set up? I use stay wider, mark tighter and get stuck in. Unfortunately my wingbacks/fullbacks don't stay wide, don't mark tight and tackle like fannys.

Having 3 CBs is definitely the best way to counter crosses atm, I can't stop them from coming in but at least I can outnumber the AI in my box and have a better chance of clearing the ball.

Problem is I really don't like playing with 3 CBs.
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I didn't have wingbacks. It was a flat formation, so they were wide midfielders. No specific PIs. If there was a problem winger I couldn't get to in time, he'd be specific man-marked. I had midfield cover to help out on the problem side too.

I'm at a new club now and using a 4-4-2. Still doing fine against crosses.
 
WJ said:
I didn't have wingbacks. It was a flat formation, so they were wide midfielders. No specific PIs. If there was a problem winger I couldn't get to in time, he'd be specific man-marked. I had midfield cover to help out on the problem side too.

I'm at a new club now and using a 4-4-2. Still doing fine against crosses.
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A formation with no fullbacks/wingbacks? I'm not nearly brave enough to attempt that.
 
Played about 10 seasons and the majority of goals both for and against are from crosses. Kind of getting old now.
 
This WJ guy comes across as a bit of a arrogant d**khead It's a game pal.
 
SJGSpook if you see what Miles posts on twitter you'd see that there's no more goals in FM than there would be in real life and I'm certain he quotes a percentage of goals from crosses in real life compared to how many happen in the game. Look at a lot of teams throughout the world and you will see there are a lot of goals from crosses.

SeanFlett it's not arrogance at all, if you ask questions and take it on board he is always able to help you, it's just he tries to make you understand the problem instead of telling you what to do fix it, it's just like the saying "give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime"

In regards to the actual post, yes crosses do see a lot of goals but you have to see how they are managing it. There's so many different ways of it happening.

For example one game I had a corner, the opposition cleared and launched a quick long ball counter and they outnumbered me on the counter 3 v 2 and it was a fairly easy cross for the opposition to the far post to score as he was unmarked from that counter. My way to fix that was to add an extra man to stay back on attacking set plays.

Another one was teams playing down the flank to work space and cross the ball from there. The easiest option with that was to have my FB specifically mark the winger and my winger to mark their FB, then it became a battle between those 4 over us stopping them or if they managed to work an opening well.

The other one I see is teams playing it centrally trying to pull my side narrow, so that they could then work the ball out wide to a winger, again I would try to man mark the wide player with my FB so he wouldn't get dragged inside (unless it was an overlapping FB out wide then I'd use my WM to man mark again) and also getting someone to either tight mark or close down the player who is making the pass to stop the supply.

Now these don't always prevent crosses but at least I feel safer knowing I'm doing something to try and stop their threat. It's just I've made changes to make it a more even battle at least.
 
Just the way you come across with your very blunt replies to people. Folk only asking for help no need to be so blunt with them.
People seem to take this game a wee bit too serious...
 
SeanFlett said:
Just the way you come across with your very blunt replies to people. Folk only asking for help no need to be so blunt with them.
People seem to take this game a wee bit too serious...
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When people start posting 'don't bother ME is brokenz', I'll tell them they're posting rubbish.

When I ask for more info and someone says 'He won't be able to stop conceding from crosses', I'll tell them it's rubbish.

When someone posts things about what the AI is doing and makes it sound like it's A) unstoppable and B) not possible for a user to do, I'll tell them it's rubbish.

If people post complete BS, I will tell them. It's as simple as that.

I come here for discussion and the stupid myths are annoying and rubbish posts like the ones above will make others stop playing or enjoy the game less. It's also not much of a discussion then.

TL;DR? Don't post rubbish.
 
woah pretty hot in here

Yeah, crossing from wide flank killing my defense......at my first season.

i tried 442, 4231, 433, 343, 352, 361, and every tactic i used to know since i play fm 2008.

every mentality, shape i had tried but 80% conceded goals my team suffered is from crossing/low crossing.
i play with Inter Milan (Continental License and International footballer), first season is my experimental season. At the end of season, im lucky enough finished at 3rd. but im really confused with my tactic..it seems 4231 attacking-fluid is the best formation. but in the early 2016/17 season, this tactic got destoyed by AI.

with pacey winger, they running at my back,put low/float cross and bammmm goal.

no matter how big/smallest my oppnenet, it seem they ****** expose my weakness.

Again, again and again...

10 match, 7 lost, 1 draw only 2 wins.

i so **** frustated.

and then i randomly screw my formation. i played with 3 cb, 1 dm-s, 1 bbm-2, 2 winger-s, 1 ap-s, 1 af-s, 1 Cf
with the most higher defense line, offside trap, rarely closing down, play out the defense, mixed pass, lowest tempo, setting mentality CONTROL and HIGHT STRUCTURED (i never tried this pair) with this random tactic, i throw my team against i think Sporiing lisbon at UCL, (They topping the table, 2nd is Barcelona, 3rd basel and 4th is my team....) and i dont know what happen..

but it worked like i charm !!

i won 2-0.

and then 8 game i won 6 game, 2 draw.

one of the best match is a won 3-0 against LAZIO (they always crushed my team !!)

in this match LAZIO dont even get Shoot on target hahahaha.


so i want everyone know that i got no problem with AI from this series, FM team really raise the bar the tactic section

Just thinking like, this is no game at all but a real match it self.

keep coding the tactic formula, but i guess i have done it (maybe)
 
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