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  1. 4231 for Dortmund

    Im using this formation right now 4231 for Dortmund-borussia-dortmund_-tactics-overview.png
    I wanted to use Reus as an IF and still get the best out of Blaszskowski, but Im not scoring any goals with +60% and over 20 shots a game, Im not creating any CCC. Is there any tactic that effective but still can get the best out of players? Ive looked for a tactic specificly created for Dortmund but I havent found any. Any help would be appriciated.

  2. http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/footb...ml#post1632831

    set the wingers to IF's and cross from mixed and cut inside good luck
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  3. How would it work to only set one winger as IF? And keep the other one as a winger? Would it unbalance the formation to set the DLP to a AP?

  4. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
    Manchester United Super Moderator
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweeedz View Post
    Im using this formation right now Attachment 283814
    I wanted to use Reus as an IF and still get the best out of Blaszskowski, but Im not scoring any goals with +60% and over 20 shots a game, Im not creating any CCC. Is there any tactic that effective but still can get the best out of players? Ive looked for a tactic specificly created for Dortmund but I havent found any. Any help would be appriciated.
    Not only are you playing attacking, but you have 4 players attacking the same spot, I'm guessing you are creating lots of not very good chances?

    I need some lunch so i havent for time to explain why the roles are such but.

    Fluid
    Control
    Shorter passing
    Pressing
    Zonal marking

    make sure there is no playmaker, and that counter is ticked

    standard GK

    LD full back auto

    one CB central defender
    one ball playing defender (hummels only)
    (can use defend roles, or a stopper /cover partnership, witt the BPD on cover)

    RD wing back auto

    CMs one bwm defend, one dlp support.

    Attacking band AMC - ap support with roaming, one flank inside forward attack (reus), the other winger support

    Make sure you put the DLP on the same side as the inside forward

    Lewandowski - Advanced forward
    Last edited by Mike.; 20/11/2012 at 02:15 PM.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Sweeedz View Post
    How would it work to only set one winger as IF? And keep the other one as a winger? Would it unbalance the formation to set the DLP to a AP?
    that would be fine as well mate

    I have done it before, I had Nani as the IF with settings above and Valencia as my old fashioned winger, it works nicely, adds a nice little dimension to your attacking options..

    especially if your opp LB is weak, having an out and out winger running at him constantly

    and if your opp RB is quite offensive, the AML will tear him apart as well
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  6. Heres the Team instructions 4231 for Dortmund-borussia-dortmund_-tactics-team.png
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  7. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
    Manchester United Super Moderator
    #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Sweeedz View Post
    Heres the Team instructions Attachment 283817
    better balance, though I would remove the manual tweaks to the d line width and tempo, as you can control them via shouts and change as and when needed

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Sweeedz View Post
    Heres the Team instructions Attachment 283817
    if all the player roles are set to default I would:

    play two ball winners on support or defend behind Gotze setting a good platform for your attacking players going forward! you can set Gundogans freedom to just about high and through balls set to often with direct passing

    Gotze needs to play as AM - Attack

    both fullbacks set to support, but with no long shots and deep crossing often with loose zonal marking

    play Subtoic as a stopper to help break up attacking movements in your half with Hummels on cover to sweep up, but your CM's should provide decent cover for this

    I would play Perisic and Reus as IF's - attack or support but with tight marking and high closing down to assist the FB on defence

    Float the crosses in for Robert and set all the wingers and fb's crossing aim to FAR POST!

    normal defensive line works the best as you do not want to push to far forward and get hit on the counter...

    play normal width and normal tempo (both just below wide & quick)

    I would also look at playing DEFENSIVE with high freedom (I find this works really nicely for me) not even high freedom but just defensive.. helps balance out attacking and defending and with players like Rob, Reus, Gotze, Gundogan, Perisic you should create chances...

    or do what Mike suggested and leave all as default so when you change your mentality and strategy it wont affect much.. time wasting MUST BE LEFT unticked....
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  9. Mike.'s Avatar Mike.
    Manchester United Super Moderator
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikan007 View Post
    if all the player roles are set to default I would:

    play two ball winners on support or defend behind Gotze setting a good platform for your attacking players going forward! you can set Gundogans freedom to just about high and through balls set to often with direct passing

    Gotze needs to play as AM - Attack

    both fullbacks set to support, but with no long shots and deep crossing often with loose zonal marking

    play Subtoic as a stopper to help break up attacking movements in your half with Hummels on cover to sweep up, but your CM's should provide decent cover for this

    I would play Perisic and Reus as IF's - attack or support but with tight marking and high closing down to assist the FB on defence

    Float the crosses in for Robert and set all the wingers and fb's crossing aim to FAR POST!

    normal defensive line works the best as you do not want to push to far forward and get hit on the counter...

    play normal width and normal tempo (both just below wide & quick)

    I would also look at playing DEFENSIVE with high freedom (I find this works really nicely for me) not even high freedom but just defensive.. helps balance out attacking and defending and with players like Rob, Reus, Gotze, Gundogan, Perisic you should create chances...

    or do what Mike suggested and leave all as default so when you change your mentality and strategy it wont affect much.. time wasting MUST BE LEFT unticked....
    ball winners have short range passing, prevents any raking balls on the counter. A solid dlp will prove enough cover and also a counter attacking threat

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Mike. View Post
    ball winners have short range passing, prevents any raking balls on the counter. A solid dlp will prove enough cover and also a counter attacking threat
    thats the point Mike, they have Gotze just ahead of them and the FB's pushing up as well as the wingers cutting in just ahead of them..
    Gundogan needs that type of setting though, DLP is perfect, DLP - defend and BWM - Support is my favourite combo, see my tactic..

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